Saturday 28 February 2015

ISIS Vows to Conquer Rome Vatican calls for Military Intervention Ezeki...



ROME - Pope Francis’ top diplomat has endorsed the idea of international ' military intervention ' in Libya to prevent ISIS from gaining power there, adding his voice to calls from other Church leaders for enhanced efforts to curb the Islamic militants. In recent days, a New York’s Cardinal Timothy Dolan has said that the terrorist group “ threatens human civilization ” while an auxiliary bishop of Baghdad has asked the world to stop what he called an ISIS “ genocide. ”

On Tuesday, Italian Cardinal Pietro Parolin , the Vatican’s secretary of state , called for an intervention in Libya to stop a possible alliance between the country’s Islamic government and the Islamic State. Parolin spoke about the chaos in the North African country after ISIS beheaded 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians over the weekend, describing the incident as “ terrifying ”.

The cardinal stressed the need for “ a quick response ” saying that the “ situation is grave.”  Reflecting long-standing Vatican positions, Parolin added that “ any armed intervention must be carried forward under the framework of international law ” and “ under the umbrella of the United Nations. ” The remarks came during a meeting between Vatican officials and members of the Italian government to mark the anniversary of the 1929 Lateran Treaty, which established the Vatican City State and which governs relations between the two states.

PROPHECY INSIGHTS - The arrival of ISIS in ' Libya ' is a major development that will set in train prophetic events foretold in God's Word. With ISIS now on Europe's doorstep & threatening an invasion of Italy , both the Italian authorities & the Vatican are on high alert prompting Italy's Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti to declare of the encroaching ISIS threat " The risk is imminent , we cannot wait any longer ".

While most of the world's population looks to the future with fear & uncertainty as the Islamic State wreaks havoc & brutality , even a modest understanding of Bible Prophecy reveals the actual future events involving Libya , the Vatican & Russia. In Ezekiel 38 we are told Libya is one of the nations ' at Russia's side ' in the latter-day confederate invasion of the Middle East & Israel. Therefore we know with certainty , Libya must soon fall under the power & influence of Russian hegemony. Additionally , Ezekiel 17 provides unmistakable symbollic allusions to the coming ' strategic alliance ' soon to be forged between the Catholic Papacy ( leading the Euro-Union ) & Russia's autocratic leader , Vladimir Putin.

The current ISIS threat will be ' the catalyst ' to bring Rome & Russia together in a common cause , as the Papacy seeks Russia's military might to snuff out the threat of Islamic extremism & in exchange Putin will derive international legitimacy & advocacy from his pact with the leader of the world's largest religion - the Pope. Together Russia's Gog & Rome's Papacy will ' prosper & practice ' in an alliance of mutual convenience & jointly plan the subjugation of many nations , including the ' Holy Land '.  But the very same Bible prophecy in Ezekiel 17 also vividly details Rome's judgment at the hands of the Lord Jesus Christ & His saints ( ' East Wind ' )

Ezekiel 17v7-10 - There was also another ' great eagle ' ( Russia ) with great wings & many feathers :  & behold , ' this vine ' ( Vatican / Papacy ) did bend her roots toward him  ( Russian Gog / Putin ) & shot forth her branches toward him , that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. It ( Vatican / Papacy ) was planted in a good soil by great waters ( Mediterranean Sea ) that it might bring forth branches & that it might bear fruit , that it might be a goodly vine . . . .  Thus saith the Lord GOD ; Shall it prosper ? shall he not pull up the roots thereof & cut off the fruit thereof , that it wither ? It shall wither in all the leaves of her spring , even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. Yea , behold , being planted , shall it prosper ? shall it not utterly wither , when the ' east wind ' ( Christ & His saints ) toucheth it ? It shall wither in the furrows where it grew.

Tuesday 24 February 2015

Christians and the Sabbath





We reject that the observance of Sunday is a matter of duty. [Although the “first day” is commonly used for remembrance of the Christ-covenant, there is no obligation to limit such observance to a Sunday. It is a matter of “as oft as we do so,” whatever the day — 1Cor. 11:In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.’.]



. Sabbath day not binding on Christians



Law abolished on basis of Jesus’ death.



Eph 2:15 By means of his flesh he abolished the hostility, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees, that he might create the two peoples in himself into one new man and make peace;



Sabbath not binding on Christians.



Col 2:16 Therefore let no man judge YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; 17 for those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ;



Reproved for observing Sabbath, etc.



Ga 4:10 YOU are scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for YOU, that somehow I have toiled to no purpose respecting YOU.;



Ro 10:2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge; 3 for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.



Enter God’s rest by faith and obedience.  Heb 4:9-11

Wednesday 18 February 2015

THE COMING STORM : Severe sandstorm hits Egypt , Lebanon & Israel



THE COMING STORM : Severe sandstorm hits Egypt , Lebanon & Israel



February 11, 2015








A Mideast sandstorm roared into Egypt , Israel & Lebanon this week, causing the worst Israeli air pollution in years & sending powerful waves tearing into Beirut's famed corniche along the Mediterranean Sea. The sandstorm, made up of accumulated dust carried from the far reaches of the Sahara Desert in North Africa, also engulfed Cairo for a second day.




High winds lashed those on the streets, causing some to walk backward to avoid getting the grit in their faces. Israel's Environmental Protection Ministry said air pollution levels were the country's worst in five years & the storm would last into Wednesday night. Israeli airports spokeswoman Liza Dvir said flights to and from the Red Sea resort city of Eilat temporarily were grounded due to the weather, though planes still flew through the country's main international hub, Ben Gurion Airport



FULL REPORT : Associated Press



PROPHECY INSIGHTS - Could it be mere co-incidence - or - a providential ' heads-up ' from above ?? Timed to perfection with Vladimir Putin's Egyptian visit , the strong sandstorm first struck Egypt , temporarily closing Cairo International Airport to incoming flights. The weather front also caused strong waves to crash into the coast & saw Egypt close two of its seaports . . . exactly when Putin arrived !!! There is a storm coming. And Russia's President Vladimir Putin will head it up. We are told in Daniel 11 that the ' king of the north ' will come down like a whirlwind. In Ezekiel 38 we are told that ' Gog ' ( Russian leader ) will ascend & come . . . like a storm. He will be like a cloud to cover the land. This sandstorm as Putin arrived is a ' sign ' to show us what is really coming. A terrible storm – an army so large they will be like locusts covering the ground. When Putin finally invades it truly will be the greatest storm the world has ever seen . . .





Ezekiel 38v9 - Thou ( Russian Gog ) shalt ascend & come like a storm , thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land , thou & all thy bands , & many people with thee.



Daniel 11v40 - The king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind , with chariots & with horsemen & with many ships

RUSSIAN ' GOG ' VISITS EGYPT : Putin's anti-terrorism pact - prelude to Middle East chaos



RUSSIAN ' GOG ' VISITS EGYPT : Putin's anti-terrorism pact - prelude to Middle East chaos



February 10, 2015








United by a deep hostility toward Islamists, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi & Russia's Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday they were both committed to fighting the threat of terrorism. The general & the former KGB officer found common ground on security at talks in Cairo that signaled a rapprochement between their two countries, at a time when relations between Egypt & the United States have cooled.

Sisi, who is fighting a raging Islamist insurgency in the Sinai region, said Putin had agreed with him that "the challenge of terrorism that faces Egypt & which Russia also faces, does not stop at any borders".

Putin , on his first state visit to Egypt in a decade , said they agreed on "reinforcing our efforts in combating terrorism". The Kremlin chief was the first leader of a major power to visit Egypt since former army chief Sisi became president in 2014, having toppled Islamist President Mohamed Mursi the previous year after mass protests against his rule.

Sisi has repeatedly called for concerted counter-terrorism efforts in the Middle East & the West. Egypt has fought Islamist militancy for decades, mostly through security crackdowns that have weakened, but failed to eliminate, radical groups. Egypt & the Soviet Union were close allies until the 1970s when Cairo moved closer to the United States, which brokered its 1979 peace deal with Israel. That relationship cooled after the army's overthrow of Mursi, which prompted Washington to suspend some military aid. Sisi has since opened up to Moscow, describing Russia on Tuesday as a "strategic friend".

Putin, facing Western isolation & sanctions over his support for pro-Russian separatists in neighboring Ukraine, received a grand welcome in Cairo, where his portrait & the Russian tricolour were predominantly displayed.



FULL REPORT : Reuters



PROPHECY INSIGHTS - Russian president Vladimir Putin has flown to Cairo for a two-day visit , in a move aimed at bolstering bilateral ties with Egypt that also allows both countries to send pointed messages to the US. Putin is expected to hold discussions about ending the use of the US dollar in bilateral trade between Egypt & Russia. Collaboration between a Russian & Egyptian newspaper is also reported to be scheduled for discussion. Egypt’s flagship state newspaper printed a long feature about Putin that called him “ a hero of our era ”. Russian president Vladimir Putin arrived in Egypt to a hero’s welcome. The Financial Times reported the following in relation to this visit…” The visit is the latest sign of Russia attempting to reassert its commercial & strategic interests in the Middle East, an agenda that has included bolstering support for Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria.” This is indeed a sign of Russia asserting itself in the Middle East. Putin is very interested in this area. Egypt over the last 40 years has been an ally of America but Putin wants to weaken US influence in the world & seeks to strengthen ties with countries like Egypt. In Daniel Ch.11 it says that Russia will sweep down through Israel into Egypt. But we also read of this in Isaiah 19. We are told a ' fierce king ' will one day rule over Egypt. The word ' fierce ' is also used in Daniel 8 . . . of the same fierce ' latter day ' king.





Isaiah 19v4 - And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord ( Mohammed Morsi ) ... & a ' fierce king ' (Vladimir Putin ) shall rule over them , saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts.



Daniel 8v23 - And in the latter time of their kingdom , when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of ' fierce 'countenance & understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

Sunday 15 February 2015

Valentine's Day in the Bible

To most people, Valentine's Day would seem to be nothing more than kids exchanging Valentine cards and adults giving chocolates or flowers. But it is harmless only in the eyes of those who do not know any better. As with most worldly festivals with religious overtones, its origins go back long before Christ. And, as we have come to recognize, the Roman Catholic Church "Christianized" it, assimilating pagan beliefs into its own.
At the end of the 5th century, pope Gelasius I declared February 14 saint Valentine's day. I thought we were told to come out of her?
Is February 14, the only day on earth when someone can express or show love? Why does the church have to follow the world?
Fellow believers, get out all of those pagan celebrations and follow Christ alone. We will never be sanctified (set aside, set apart, different) if we continue to follow the world.
There are seven (7) biblical feasts mentioned in scripture, saint Valentine's day IS NOT one of them. The church has rejected most of them to observe pagan feasts.
Have you studied and researched the origins of the traditions and customs you follow?

. . . an ancient Roman rite held each February 15 for the fertility god Lupercus. Goats and a dog were sacrificed, and goats' blood was smeared on the foreheads of two young men and wiped off with wool dipped in milk. Young men, wearing only goatskin about their loins, ran around the base of the Palatine hill, striking with goatskin strips any women they met. This was to ease labor for pregnant women and to make the others fertile.
Why is the color red associated with Valentine's Day? Isaiah writes that "sins are like scarlet, . . . red like crimson" (Isaiah 1:18). Adultery is known as the "scarlet sin" (recall the classic book by Nathaniel Hawthorne, The Scarlet Letter). Prostitution is practiced in the "red-light district." The Bible describes certain princes of Babylon dressed in vermilion (Ezekiel 23:14-15). Babylon herself is a harlot dressed in scarlet (Revelation 17:4). The highest ranking priests of the Catholic church, cardinals, wear red.
When we tally our list on the merits of Valentine's Day, this pagan holiday shows not one redeeming value! Valentine's Day is as worldly as they come. It is indeed a product of Babylon, and the love of God does not rest on those who become enmeshed by the ways of this world (I John 2:15).
Those who continue to insist that participation in it is harmless have refused to recognize the rank paganism inherent in this holiday. God warns in Revelation 18:4 that if we remain within the gates of Babylon, then we will suffer its fate. Valentine's Day is just another reason why God says to us, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues."

Saturday 14 February 2015

India and Israel Strengthening Ties, as foreseen by Bible prophecy stude...





The ancient nation of Tarshish is identified by scripture as being friendly to Israel in the time of the end. The Biblical text identifies both a western and an eastern Tarshish. India is identified with the East as is seen to be strengthening its ties with Israel after years of cold relations.

We have often spoken of the latter day Tarshish on the Bible in the News program, discussing the relationships between Britain, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Israel. The cause of our attention comes from passages such as Ezekiel 38:13 where there is a notable presence of the Tarshish powers, friendly to Israel in the time of the end:
“Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?” (Ezekiel 38:13)
It is another subject, but Tarshish is identified with the ancient trade in tin and led identified by Ezekiel 37:12:
“Tarshish was thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all kind of riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead, they traded in thy fairs.” (Ezekiel 27:12)
Tarshish is identified as a western lying nation because Tarshish is identified with the nation of Tyre on the coasts of Lebanon, and Jonah left from Joppa to take a ship to Tarshish heading west.
Ancient authorities such as Herodotus and Julius Caesar identify an island beyond the straights of Gibraltar and off the coast of Europe as being the source of tin. More current authorities such as Encyclopedia Britannica, and Barbara Tuchman in her book "The Bible and Sword" identify Britain as this ancient source. (See Bible Magazine Volume 26 #4, “Bronze Age Sea Traders” and Volume 20 #2, “The Merchants of Tarshish” for more on this).

The Eastern Tarshish

The people of Tarshish have roots that go way back in history. It is interesting that Herodotus, writing about 100 years after Ezekiel, identifies the Phoenicians (who are associated in the Bible with Tarshish), as originating from an Eastern direction, and migrating into the west via their naval prowess. Herodotus tells us:
These people originally came from the coasts of the Indian Ocean; and as soon as they penetrated into the Mediterranean and settled in that part of the country where they are today, they took to making long trading voyages. (Herodotus Histories, Book 1, page 1)
Solomon entered into a joint project with Hiram king of Tyre to built ships to go to Tarshish:
“And king Solomon made a navy of ships in Ezion-geber, which is beside Eloth (Elat), on the shore of the Red sea, in the land of Edom. And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, shipmen that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon. And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to king Solomon.” (1 Kings 9:26–28)
Years later Jehoshaphat decided to follow Solomon’s example, he made an alliance with Ahaziah of Israel, however he failed in his exploits:
“And after this did Jehoshaphat king of Judah join himself with Ahaziah king of Israel, who did very wickedly: And he joined himself with him to make ships to go to Tarshish: and they made the ships in Ezion-geber. Then Eliezer the son of Dodavah of Mareshah prophesied against Jehoshaphat, saying, Because thou hast joined thyself with Ahaziah, the LORD hath broken thy works. And the ships were broken, that they were not able to go to Tarshish.” (2 Chronicles 20:35–37)
Note where Jehoshaphat’s ships were destroyed, Ezion Geber. We are told this in the Kings record too:
“Jehoshaphat made ships of Tharshish to go to Ophir for gold: but they went not; for the ships were broken at Ezion-geber.” (1 Kings 22:48)
Both Solomon and Jehoshaphat’s navy’s were built in Elat, in on the northern tip of the Red sea and were destined for an eastern “Tarshish”.
Eusebius, who wrote an Onomasticon, or a directory of place names, where he identified Ailam, also known as Ailath during Roman times as
“the extremity of Palestine between the southern desert and the Red Sea where cargo was transported by ship from both Egypt and India”
John Thomas identified India
with the Eastern Tarshish in
Elpis Israel, 1848
John Thomas, reflecting on these Bible passages, and writing in Elpis Israel in 1849 had the following to say:
As to Tarshish, there were two countries of that name in the geography of the ancients. Jehoshaphat built ships at Ezion-geber, a port of the Red Sea, that they might sail thence to Tarshish. Now, it will be seen by the map that they could only sail southward towards the straits of Bab-el-Mandeb, from which they might then steer east, or north, for India. As they did not sail by compass in those days, but coastwise, they would creep round the coast of Arabia, and so make for Hindostan. They might have sailed southward again along the coast of Africa instead of to India; but it is not likely they did, as the commerce of the time was with the civilized world, and not the savage. The voyage occupied them three years. In the days of Solomon the trade was shared between Israel and the Tyrians; for “he had at sea a navy of Tarshish with the navy of Hiram; once in three years came the navy of Tarshish bringing gold and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.” These products point to India as the Eastern Tarshish—a country which has always conferred maritime ascendancy on the power which has possessed its trade and been its carrier to the nations…. The merchandise of the northern Tarshish, and of the eastern, identifies Britain and India with the two countries of that name; and Sheba and Tarshish in the prophecy of Gogue are manifestly indicative of the Lion-power of the AngloIndian empire.
Now since the days of John Thomas the British East India company has long since dissolved, with India having gained its independence in 1947 shortly before the state of Israel was established. Both nations threw of the yoke of British colonialism at about the same time. However, the scriptures indicate that the powers associated with Tarshish, her “young lions” would remain friendly to the newly reborn Israel in the time of the end.
So we can look for events that will see friendly relations between India (who answers to one of the Ancient names of Tarshish) and Israel in the time of the end, as well as Britain. 

India Strengthens Relations with Israel

These prophecies were brought to the front this week when relationships between India and Israel were highlighted in the news. The Times of Israel, in an article entitled “Defense minister to pay first state visit to India” stated,
“Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon is reportedly slated to visit India on February 17 in the first state visit by an Israeli defense minister, as the countries seek to foster deeper security ties. Ya’alon is expected to hold a number of high-level meetings with Indian officials and visit a large arms factory in the southern Indian city of Bangalore.”
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh
When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh on November 6th in Israel, he stated:
“Israel and India are at the cusp of a new era of increased cooperation in a wide variety of fields.”
This includes both economic and military cooperation. The same Times of Israel article reported,
“In October, India reportedly agreed to a $525 million deal to buy Israel’s guided Spike missiles, which were widely used during last summer’s Operation Protective Edge.”
The Times of India carried an article February 1, 2015, under the headline “India, Israel to restart free trade agreement talks” which stated,
India and Israel will resume negotiations for a free trade agreement (FTA) next week, government sources confirmed, in another indication of deepening ties between the two countries since the Narendra Modi-led NDA government came to power….
…annual trade with Israel peaked at $5.1 billion in 2011, it tapered to $4.39 billion two years later because of global recession. India and Israel are both confident though that their annual trade volume will double once the FTA is signed….
With Modi coming to power, both countries seem more open to engaging publicly, including in defence and security cooperation, a clear departure from the past.
David Cohen, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the
Interior 
in George W. Bush government.
David Cohen, the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Interior under the government of President George W. Bush, posted an article on The New Caller, carrying the headline “No Country Has More Friends Of Israel Than … India.” In his opinion piece he stated:
India, the country with the second-largest Muslim population in the world, a country with more Muslims than Egypt and Iran combined, a country whose government has consistently sided against Israel over the past six and a half decades … has more supporters of Israel than any other country in the world. More than the United States. More than Israel….
Affinity for Israel is strongest among core supporters of new Prime Minister Narendra Modi, whose Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) won over 171 million votes in this year’s election….
Many Indians admire the cultural self-assurance of Israeli Jews, and their willingness to fight to defend Israel and Judaism….
Many Modi supporters see India as a necessary refuge for Hinduism, and empathize with the Jews’ need to defend, in Israel, the world’s refuge for Judaism.
A Wall Street Journal article by Sadanand Dhume, an Indian writer and journalist based in Washington, under  the title “Revealed: The India-Israel axis.” Dhume stated:
Even as pro-Palestinian protestors take to the streets of London and Paris, Israel’s ties with the world’s largest democracy are on the upswing. For the first time in a decade, New Delhi appears ready to suggest publicly what many officials already acknowledge privately: A burgeoning strategic partnership with Israel matters more to India than reflexive solidarity with the Palestinian cause.
In the news today, we see the clear support of Israel by India, and an affinity between the two countries that is growing stronger all the time, both militarily and economically.
We can expect this to continue right up to the time of the end, and past the Gogian invasion into the kingdom, for we read in Psalm 72 of Millenial relationships between the Tarshish nations and Israel, after Israel’s messiah has come and is established on his throne in Jerusalem:
“The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. Yeah, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.” (Psalm 72:10-11)
Bible prophecy has written the script of world history well in advance, and the actors on the world stage are taking their positions for the last act in the great battle of Armageddon.
So while the world prepares, so should we:


“…knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light….” (Romans 13:11-12)

Friday 13 February 2015

FIRE VOLCANO ' ERUPTION



' FIRE VOLCANO ' ERUPTION : Feared volcano forces evacuat'n



February 8, 2015


Guatemala's so-called " fire volcano " has closed an airport & forced the evacuation of at least 100 people. Guatemala's national disaster agency says the volcano, known locally as Fuego Volcan, erupted Saturday & spewed ashes "to an altitude reaching 5,500 meters (18,000 feet) above sea level."

The smoke & ash forced Guatemala's La Aurora International Airport to stop all air traffic around the area. Guatemala's alert level has been raised to "orange," which puts in place the possibility of rescue operations, the disaster agency said. The volcano is near the Pacific Ocean coast about 60 miles from the capital, Guatemala City. Fuego Volcano is one of Central America's most active volcanoes & has an elevation of 12,343 feet.



NEWS REPORT : CNN



PROPHECY INSIGHTS : Volcanic eruptions & seismic activity on the increase . . . are a sign of the nearness of the Lord's return. As we witness these spectacular events world-wide , we know God's Word makes plain the earth's convulsions fore-shadow dramatic events coming soon , & culminate in the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to judge the nations . . .



Joel 2 v 30-31 - I will shew ' wonders ' in the heavens & in the earth ; blood & fire & pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness & the moon into blood , before the great & the terrible ' day of the LORD ' come.



Micah 1 v 2-4 - Hear, all ye people ; hearken , O earth & all that therein is . . . let the Lord GOD be witness against you , the Lord from his holy temple. For, behold , the LORD cometh forth out of his place & will come down & tread upon the high places of the earth . . . the mountains shall be molten under him & the valleys shall be cleft , as wax before the fire & as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

Tuesday 10 February 2015

God's Contract with Humanity Lecture 3 Jesus and the Jewish Lawyers

God's Contract with Humanity Lecture 4 Only God Must Make an Oath

NUCLEAR World War 3 -- Gorbachev warns of US-Russian " Hot War "





Ex-Soviet President Gorbachev says the confrontation between Russia & the West could spill into all-out war.   More than 5,100 people have been killed in a bloody conflict in eastern Ukraine between government troops & pro-Russian separatists. Ukraine accuses Russia of aiding the separatists while Russia says the West is behind Ukraine's attempts to retake the rebel-held areas.



Gorbachev, in comments to a news agency, said Thursday the West has "dragged" Russia into a new Cold War & warned of risks of a military confrontation :  " I can no longer say that this Cold War will not lead to a  ' Hot War ',  I fear that they could risk it " he was quoted as saying



Could Gorbachev be right ??  Could ' nuclear war ' be coming in the near future ??  Bible Prophecy provides clear evidence that this will soon be the case.  The old testament prophet  Zechariah  described vividly a vision of this coming nightmare . . . .



Zechariah 5 v 1-9  -  Then I turned & lifted up mine eyes  &  looked, behold a  ' flying roll ' ... & he ( angel ) said unto me , What seest thou ?  &  I answered , I see a ' flying roll ' ;  the length thereof is twenty cubits  ( 30 ft / 9 mtrs )  &  the breadth thereof ten cubits  ( ' Circumference ' 15ft / 4-5 mtrs ) .  Then said he unto me ,  This is ' the curse ' that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth :  for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it  &  every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.  I will bring it forth , saith the LORD of hosts  &  it  shall enter into the house of the thief  &  into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name :  &  it  ( nuclear radiation ) shall remain in the midst of his house  &  shall consume it with the timber thereof  &  the stones thereof.



Then the angel that talked with me went forth  &  said unto me , Lift up now thine eyes , &  see what is this that goeth forth.  And I said , What is it ?  And he said , This is an ' ephah ' ( vessel ) that goeth forth.  He said moreover ,  This is their ' resemblance ' through all the earth.  And , behold , there was lifted up a ' talent of lead ' :  And this is a ' woman ' ( Heb. -- ' fire offering ' )  that sitteth in the midst of the ' ephah '  &  he said , This is wickedness .  And he cast it into the midst of the ' ephah ' ( vessel ) ;  &  he cast the weight of lead  ( nuclear trigger )  upon the mouth thereof.  Then lifted I up mine eyes  &  looked , &  behold , there came out two women , &  the wind was in their wings ;  for they had wings like the wings of a stork : &  they lifted up the ' ephah ' between the earth & the heaven.


Thursday 5 February 2015

End Time Bible Prophecy Islamic state Executions Revelation 20:4

Why I Believe the Lord Came Forth From the Grave Mortal

Why I Believe the Lord Came Forth From the Grave Mortal

Scriptural Proofs

“For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living” (Rom 14:9)
Paul tells us that the Lord
  1. died
  2. rose
  3. revived
Rising from death is one thing, being revived another. Paul uses two different words in the Greek.
We know that all those who will be immortalized in the future go through a multi-stage process: they rise from the grave, are judged, and will be immortalized. Why would Paul mislead us into thinking this was a multi-step process for Christ if he rose from the grave immortal?
"Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men" (Eph 4:8)
Leading captivity (death) captive is to have victory over death. If the Lord was literally cleansed "after the veil of his flesh was rent and before he awoke at the early dawn of the third day" (as some misunderstand brother Thomas to say) then here is an amazing thing. That time period begins after he is dead and ends before he awakes to life. This would be to say that he led captivity captive when he was captive to death! It would also be to say that the Lord had victory over death, at the very time he was in grave. And it also would be to say that he who "descended first into the lower parts of the earth" had at the same time "ascended up on high".
I would posit that Paul's timing is correct: the Lord decended first into the lower parts of the earth and then after emerging from the tomb, ascended up on high in which captivity was now his captive. So there must be some sense in which the Lord ascended prior to his ascension in Acts 1:9. Ascending to heaven doesn't necessarily mean a physical ascent.
"And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." (Rev. 11:12)
And I believe this is accounted for:
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and tomy God, and your God" (John 20:17)
There are two basic views of this particular verse. One says that the Lord was gently rebuking Mary not to cling to him for his stay on earth would be short and that he would be ascending to the Father to sit at His right hand. This idea, where it has been presented, sometimes indicates that Mary was physically restraining the Lord by clinging to him as an emotional response. I don't see any proof of that in the text. Rather I see reasons why that is unlikely:
  1. The Bible doesn't even say that Mary touched him. "She turned and said to Him, 'Rabboni!'" Immediately the Lord responds, "touch me not". Everyone who puts forth this idea assumes that Mary not only turned to him but that she embraced him. It's an assumption.
  2. Some suggest that Mary was so overpowered with emotion that she was physically restraining him in her embrace. It seems unlikely to me, that a 33 year old man, now restored to mortal life, would find the physical restraint of Mary to be such that he had to tell her to let him go. I look first for a doctrinal teaching in the Bible text, and I don't see anything in this suggestion.
  3. Rather than physical restraint some have suggested that the Lord's response was a rebuke that Mary's affection must be taken to a spiritual level. Again, that's just an assumption and the Lord's words don't suggest that her affection was misplaced. It seems unlikely that the Lord would choose to appear to Mary first (a commendation) only to tell her she was somehow failing to be spiritual enough.
  4. The Lord had just emerged from the tomb. It really doesn't make sense to me that the Lord would have to tell Mary not to cling on to him for he was going to leave earth forty days later (!) to sit at the Father's right hand. That, I just don't see, could possibly be a pressing point at that particular time. The real issue to Mary's mind was that he was alive — whereas she knew he had been dead — resurrection! And when the time came for him to leave, she wasn't going to stop his ascension. The Lord had just emerged from the tomb and she had no idea he was leaving, some forty days later, anyway, so there wouldn't have been any thought of "preventing" him from doing anything. In other words, the reason given for this particular interpretation seems forced and quite out of context. There might be another reason brethren believe this. I have yet to hear it or read it.
  5. If you look at the Greek word translated touch... in all 37 other occurrences in 32 verses it never means "cling to". It always is translated touch, "If I may but touch his clothes...", "then touched he their eyes... ", "Who touched me...". Never do these verses indicate that something was being held on to and in some cases it wouldn't make sense: "If I may but cling to his clothes" — this was a woman of faith and she knew the healing power was in touching the hem of his garment; "then he clung onto their eyes" — need I say more? From the Bible text I just don't see any reason to view this as "clinging to".
  6. The Lord follows the command of "touch me not" with his reason: "for I am not yet ascended to my Father". The reason the Lord gives himself makes sense to me. Asthe antitypical firstfruits he had not yet been presented before the Father to be "lifted up", "inspected" and accepted (immortalized). Furthermore he was unclean having been in the grave. It is true that he had not been made unclean, according to Mosaic Law during his ministry, even though he had touched the dead. But it is also true that he had not been dead himself. And there is no reason to suppose that the Lord was not "under the law". He told Mary to "touch me not". This was very different from how he treated the disciples later that day in John 20:19-20 which is suggestive of his having been immortalized after verse 18 and before verse 19. Notice that he also, at that time, gave the disciples the holy spirit, which again indicates he is immortal and endued with power from on high (cp. Matt 27:46; John 20:22; Luke 24:49). Also note how he dealt, eight days later, with Thomas in John 20:24.
  7. The final proof, to my mind, is that the Lord then tells Mary, "but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God". Now if the ascension he spoke of was 40 days later, why didn't he wait till that evening to tell the disciples himself? Again, is there some teaching to be advanced by this? The modern interpretation has the Lord effectively saying "Don't physically restrain me for I haven't physically ascended up to heaven. But go tell my brethren that I am going to ascend in forty days". Once again, I just do not find that a substantive interpretation.
  8. I have never found brother Thomas or brother Roberts teaching that "touch me not" means to "not cling to". They teach it means he was mortal and unclean and that he had not yet ascended to his Father's nature. Where did the idea come from? The earliest references I personally can find are these.
    1. It appears in The Christadelphian first in 1923 on the authority of the R.V margin. But even there bro. Walker says, "The only other 'ascent to the Father' was the ascent from human nature to the divine nature. This gives us the clue to a right understanding." It appears again in 1934. In 1940 it is repeated with references made to Rotherham and Weymouth, but again in the context of the Lord arising to Divine nature. Less detail but the "cling to" idea appears in 1950, 1965, 1972 and 1985.
    2. It appears in The Testimony magazine in 1940 (quoting a Weymouth footnote), again in 1954, 1959, 1975 and 1976
    3. It appears in Logos magazine first 1967, then in 1969 and 1975
    4. It appears in The Dawn Ecclesial Magazine in 1985
So, as it currently stands, it appears to originate from a RV marginal note and has been supported by references to Weymouth and Rotherham. If readers have additional information it would be most appreciated.
"Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by. And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH." Zec 3:3-8
If the Lord was to be raised immortal this prophetic enactment makes no sense. He STOOD BEFORE THE ANGEL in filthy garments and then had a change of raiment. That, in prophetic language, reads as decisively as it can.

It has been suggested by one author that the Lord was mortal his entire 40 days. This doesn't seem to be the case based on the above arguments. In addition we are told:
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us) (1st John 1:1-2)

What Christadelphians Have Historically Taught

"We believe, on the evidence of Romans 6:4 and other places, that the Lord was raised mortal, but 'changed in the twinkling of an eye'" (Logos, 1975, p. 375)
"As the Lord was raised mortal and then elevated to immortality, so there must be growth of the newness of life in him." (Logos, 1965, p. 31)
"He shall also quicken your mortal bodies" — Jesus rose mortal from the grave (Rom. 14:9), and thus patterned the process by which we can rise to life eternal (Rom. 6: 5) (Logos, 1966, p. 182)
Now, without question, Jesus is the first fruits of those who are to be raised from the dead (1 Cor. 15:23); and every one knows that the “first fruits” are the same in kind and in process of development as the rest of the harvest. In the case of Jesus, a period elapsed between his coming out of the grave and his change of nature; so must it be with his brethren. (Henry Sulley,The Christadelphian, 1899)
"They are living persons such as Jesus was when restored to life; and like him, waiting for the same things to be wrought in them. The risen Jesus waited to be changed, or transformed, into what he was not on emerging from the tomb. The true believers, who hope not to die, knowing that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, are also waiting to be changed or transformed into what they are not. The position of Jesus and this remnant is identical. He had not long to wait for his change. When it did come, it was “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye”—quick as a flash of lightning. This was his reviving after he rose, and by which he was made Lord and Christ." (Eureka, vol 5, p. 18)
What was the Body that came out of Joseph's sepulchre? The same that was crucified, died, and was buried there-"out of the earth, earthy." An earthy body is not consubstantial with the Father, who is Spirit. At the emergence from the tomb, there was inequality of substance between the Father and the Son. (John Thomas, Catechesis, #23)
Now, Christ was the anti-typical lamb slain, and the question is, how, and by whom was he presented in the anti-typical holiest of all—heaven itself, (Heb. 9:24), to have the offering of his mortal body accepted and endorsed by the flashing forth of the spirit-fire upon him, to change him “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,” into a “life-giving spirit.” The history of the case affords a simple answer; He ascended to the presence of the Father, both as the victim and the officiating priest, and when the offering was accepted and consumed by the out-shedding of the spirit upon his substance, that is, when he was glorified, he transmitted the spirit to his disciples on the day of Pentecost. This is Peter’s account of it on the occasion: “Being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this which ye now see and hear,” (Acts 2:33.) Again, when accounting to the wonder-stricken crowd for the miraculous cure of “a certain man, lame from his mother’s womb,” he says, “Why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power, or holiness, we had made this man to walk? The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers hath glorified his son, Jesus, ” (Acts 3:12–13). From this, it would follow that Jesus was not glorified till after his ascension, and that. therefore, our correspondent’s assumption, that he came forth from the grave in spiritual nature, is unfounded.  (The Christadelphian, 1867)
He is no longer simply the earthborn body that was crucified and buried. After he came forth from the tomb, which of itself under the law was defiling to the party buried, and to any living person who should touch him, Jesus was also upon the third day "justified by spirit," or "made perfect," in ascending by the power of the Spirit from the earthborn nature, to consubstantiality of substance with the Father, "who is spirit" (John 4:24). Thus freed from all earthiness, he became spirit, upon the principle he had laid down in his discourse to Nicodemus, that "that which has been born out of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence, the perfected Jesus is the Spirit-Nucleus of the Perfect Man to be revealed, or apocalypsed. (Eureka, volume 5, p. 233)
To say that Christ was “energised into immortal vigour from the very tomb in which he lay,” is merely an unproved and unprovable assertion. Two things at least suggest the contrary, viz., the saying, “touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father,” and the fact that Christ was the antitypical sheaf of first fruits of the harvest, which was wont to be waved before the Lord on the morrow after the Sabbath, with the object of its being accepted ( Lev. 23:10 , 11 ). This suggests a similar thing on the part of the antitype. We know the morrow after the Sabbath answers fittingly to the day on which Christ rose from the dead. Following that, his offering or presentation before the Father, and his acceptance, signified by his being “changed in a moment” (as his finally accepted brethren will be), are all things first implied in the type, secondly in what Christ said to Mary, and thirdly in what will take place in the case of his brethren, of which he must needs be the example. 12–13.—The “mortal flesh” in which the life of Jesus is yet to be manifested, describes equally the case of the resurrected brethren and the living brethren contemporary with that event. For it is simply a case of this mortal alive, or this mortal reproduced from the grave, that must put on immortality. (Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1889)
If the same kind of body did not come forth that was buried, it would not be Resurrection, but only surrection, as in the case of the first man. Jesus "rose AGAIN" (1 Cor. 15:4); his coming forth was therefore resurrection. He rose again the same Jesus that was buried, only that instead of being dead, he was alive again. He was buried under the curse of the law, which "made him a curse for" our benefit (Gal. 3:13): he came forth while that same law was in force and operation. His coming forth upon the arena of his execution did not relieve him from the curse of that law, which sentenced him to continuous and everlasting death; so that, if they could have recaptured him, the Mosaic authorities would doubtless have returned him into death. That law regarded him as dead, and its authorities refused credence to the report, that he had come to life. After he had come forth he saw Mary, a Jewess, who mistook him for the gardener, so like other men did he appear. Having convinced her of her error, he checked the impulse of her affection by saying to her, "Touch me not!" It was defiling for Jews to touch a thing declared to be unclean by the law. Any thing from the grave was enacted to be unclean, in reference to him who should come out of the tomb, until that he should be 'revived" (Rom. 14:9) or "made a quickening spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45). Christ was "the end of the law," the substance or body of the shadow (Rom. 10:4; Col. 2:17); its lines concentred in the things pertaining to his body. The interdict forbidding it to be touched was indicative of its not then having been changed into spirit; and that it was still earthy and inferior to the substance of the Father. He gave the reason why he forbade his body to be touched; "for," he said, "I have not yet ascended to my Father". No one might touch him until that ascent had taken place. It did not occur till after Mary left him; but it had doubtless taken place before his walk with Cleopas and another to Emmaus; for they appear to have travelled very sociably together. The swallowing up of every particle of the earthiness of an earthy body, is an instantaneous operation; the work of "a moment, or the twinkling of an eye" (1 Cor. 15:51,52). It was one of the events that transpired in relation to Jesus on the third day. He "rose and revived" on the third day (Rom. 14:9). He not only rose on the third day, but he revived on the same day. Rising is one thing, reviving is another; and two different words are used by the apostle to express the different ideas." (Eureka, vol 5, p. 236-237)
Such was the model, or "Heavenly Man," whose image, intellectual, moral, and material, all must bear who may become the future constituents of the Perfect Man, who comes upon the world as a thief. I have been rather particular in the exposition of the things connected with the body of Jesus, which being made subjectively to know orach chayim, "the way of lives," became "the Way" (John 14:6) illustrative of the manner in which all his brethren will experimentally pass from the humiliation of death to the exaltation of eternal life and glory. They, as he, come forth from the unclean house of death earthy, and, therefore, unclean bodies. (Eureka, vol 5, p. 238)


Did the Lord Rise from the Grave with the Same Nature He Crucified?

Did the Lord Rise from the Grave with the Same Nature He Crucified?

"What was the Body that came out of Joseph's sepulchre? The same that was crucified, died, and was buried there--'out of the earth, earthy.' An earthy body is not consubstantial with the Father, who is Spirit. At the emergence from the tomb, there was inequality of substance between the Father and the Son." (John Thomas, Catechesis, #23)
"Understanding by the devil, the hereditary death-power that has reigned among men by Adam through sin, we may understand how Christ, who took part in the death-inheriting nature,destroyed the power of death by dying and rising. We then understand how 'He put away sin by the sacrifice of himself'." (Robert Roberts, The Law of Moses)
"Being clothed upon with Divine nature, he was no longer subject to mortality, and sin in the flesh ceased to be an element of his being." (Genesis Expositor, p. 85; Published by Logos publications)
"Christ conquered sin by triumphing over the flesh in his lifetime, and by submitting to the death upon the cross. He rose from the grave to life eternal. With this change of nature, the serpent power of sin had no longer any hold on him. It had bruised him on the heel, in that he had been put to death, but in rising from the grave, he had recovered from the blow, and in attaining unto life eternal he had administered a fatal blow to the 'serpent' power as far as he was concerned." (H.P. Mansfield, Key to Understanding the Scriptures, a first principles book by Logos publications, page 45)
"It prefigured the appearance of Jesus in the 'filthy garments' of the flesh of sin with satan—the adversary—at his right hand to resist him. The change of raiment related to the bestowal of Divine nature upon the Lord following his resurrection (Phil. 3: 21)." (Logos, 1956, p. 113)
“In giving himself as a perfect sacrifice — the anti-type of the Passover Lamb — the Lord Jesus Christ was the first one to benefit from his sacrifice, since, after his resurrection, he cast off forever the shackles and proclivities which are inherent in Adamic nature: Hebrews 5:1-2; 9:12 (Lit., "he found for himself eternal redemption" — third person, masc, middle voice); 9:22; 13:20.” (The First Principles of the One True Faith, p. 73; Published by Logos publications)
"'Take away the filthy garments . . . I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee'—These statements in juxtaposition show that by 'filthy garments' is meant applied to the Lord Jesus could only relate to the nature he had, which is identical with that possessed by all mankind, for he was sinless. Thus the Psalmist, speaking prophetically for Christ, declared: 'I kept myself from my iniquity' (Ps. 18: 23. See also Heb. 4: 15). He never gave way to the desires of the flesh, but always subordinated his will to that of the Father. Because of this he was given a 'change of raiment,' from sin's flesh to Divine nature. 'I will clothe thee with a change of raiment"—Divine nature, cf. 2 Cor. 5: 4. (Logos, 1956, p. 114)
"Iniquity as applied to the Lord Jesus (and v, 8 shows that the vision has relation to him) can only relate to the nature he had, which is identical with that possessed by all mankind... The priests were washed and ceremoniously cleansed before putting on these garments, and in fulfilment of the type, the Lord became subject to a change from mortality to immortality" (Zechariah Expositor, p. 30)
"To have defiled garments is to be 'in Adam,' and to possess sin nature. Joshua stands in this prophecy as a type of Christ, who came clothed in filthy garments — sin nature — but who was clothed with righteousness. Although sinless, Christ possessed sin nature and had to be clothed upon with a change of raiment, or, as Paul says, with his 'house from heaven' (2 Cor. 5:1-2)." (Logos, 1966, p. 371)
"Purge me with hyssop, i.e. literally, 'thou shalt make a sin offering for me, as in cleansing from the typical leprosy—sin; by which he had become infected on assuming human nature; for God to purge him with hyssop, was to purify his nature from the sin-leprosy, by raising him from the grave to a spiritual body; and thus by the proclamation of his resurrection to notify his cure and acceptance of God to the people.—5:8. Judgment of slaughter, i.e. the violent death to which the Messiah was to be adjudged; to deliver him from this, was to raise him from the tomb. (Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1873, p. 338)
"I think the question was worded in this way, 'Do you believe in mortal resurrection?' Now, here was a case in which a wrong answer might lead to misunderstanding, because the word mortal means destined to die; and there are some who come out of the ground at the resurrection who rise to receive eternal life (John 5:29). We can scarcely, therefore, describe them without qualification by a term which seems to exclude the idea of their future destiny. I did not feel equal to a controversy, and my answer, which was, 'I believe we come out of the ground in the same nature in which we go into the ground,' delivered me. My questioner closed his mouth like a trap, turned on his heel, and walked off. Touching the question of resurrection from the dead, the Scriptures speak only of two natures, i.e., the human and the divine. Paul says, as we have borne the image of the earthy, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly. When does the change take place from the lower to the higher nature? If it be contended that in the case of those who come out of the ground at the resurrection the change is either before they leave the earth or immediately they do leave it, then their resurrection will be different from that of the Lord Jesus Christ. The change in his case took place after he left the tomb." (Henry Sulley, The Christadelphian, 1899)
If the same kind of body did not come forth that was buried, it would not be Resurrection, but only surrection, as in the case of the first man. Jesus "rose AGAIN" (1 Cor. 15:4); his coming forth was therefore resurrection. He rose again the same Jesus that was buried, only that instead of being dead, he was alive again. He was buried under the curse of the law, which "made him a curse for" our benefit (Gal. 3:13): he came forth while that same law was in force and operation. His coming forth upon the arena of his execution did not relieve him from the curse of that law, which sentenced him to continuous and everlasting death; so that, if they could have recaptured him, the Mosaic authorities would doubtless have returned him into death. That law regarded him as dead, and its authorities refused credence to the report, that he had come to life. After he had come forth he saw Mary, a Jewess, who mistook him for the gardener, so like other men did he appear. Having convinced her of her error, he checked the impulse of her affection by saying to her, "Touch me not!" It was defiling for Jews to touch a thing declared to be unclean by the law. Any thing from the grave was enacted to be unclean, in reference to him who should come out of the tomb, until that he should be 'revived" (Rom. 14:9) or "made a quickening spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45). Christ was "the end of the law," the substance or body of the shadow (Rom. 10:4; Col. 2:17); its lines concentred in the things pertaining to his body. The interdict forbidding it to be touched was indicative of its not then having been changed into spirit; and that it was still earthy and inferior to the substance of the Father. He gave the reason why he forbade his body to be touched; "for," he said, "I have not yet ascended to my Father". No one might touch him until that ascent had taken place. It did not occur till after Mary left him; but it had doubtless taken place before his walk with Cleopas and another to Emmaus; for they appear to have travelled very sociably together. The swallowing up of every particle of the earthiness of an earthy body, is an instantaneous operation; the work of "a moment, or the twinkling of an eye" (1 Cor. 15:51,52). It was one of the events that transpired in relation to Jesus on the third day. He "rose and revived" on the third day (Rom. 14:9). He not only rose on the third day, but he revived on the same day. Rising is one thing, reviving is another; and two different words are used by the apostle to express the different ideas." (Eureka, vol 5, p. 236-237)

 

Brother John Ullman's Teaching on When the Lord's Body Was Cleansed

Brother John Ullman's Teaching on When the Lord's Body Was Cleansed

An attempt is being made by certain brethren to misrepresent the teachings of the late brother John Ullman. I would really rather not document this, but out of respect for the late brother Ullman I cannot remain silent. One would have thought that his public disavowal, during his lifetime, of the doctrines listed below would have been sufficient to demonstrate his disagreement with the claims that:
  1. The Lord arose from the grave with a nature different than the one he crucified. And
  2. There is a "law of sin" and a "law of death"
A recent correspondent from the Vines ecclesia in Australia has referred me to pages 40 and 41 of brother Ullman's book on first principles. There we read [emphasis found in original]:
"In cursing the serpent, God made a covenant with the woman: a continuing state of enmity and antagonism would exist between the two 'seeds' — that is, those who defy God and walk in the way of error, and those who understand and uphold the truth of God, and walk in His way. Ultimately, the seed of the woman (singular) would overcome the power and influence of the serpent, by overcoming the flesh. Jesus was literally the seed of the woman, not of the man — for Yahweh was his father, not Joseph. THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE FORCES OF TRUTH AND ERROR (i.e., THE PERFECT CHARACTER OF GOD VERSUS THE DICTATES OF THE FLESH) TOOK PLACE IN THE BODY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. AT THE HOUR OF HIS DEATH HE HAD COMPLETELY OVERCOME THE FLESH, SINCE HE DIED A SINLESS MAN: THUS HE EFFECTIVELY 'CRUSHED' THE HEAD OF THE SERPENT. See Heb. 2:14; 9:26; 1 Cor. 15:23-25; 1 Jhn. 3:5. Having overcome sin, and the sin-nature, Christ is now able to redeem us from the power of death, through his own perfect sacrifice; all, in accordance with the will of his Father: Acts 2:22-24; 1 Jhn. 1:7-9; Isa. 53:10.
"The serpent must be seen, above all else, as typifying the flesh as the source of all sin. In Num. 21:4-9 the people of Israel sinned 'against God and against Moses'. For this especially rebellious sin, Yahweh sent 'fiery serpents' among the people, as a result of which 'much people of Israel died'. When the people cried unto Moses, confessing their sin, God instructed Moses to make a serpent of brass (brass is a Biblical symbol for the flesh), and to affix it to a pole. All who had been bitten by a serpent and who looked upon the brasen serpent, in faith, would live. Commenting upon this incident, Jesus said: 'As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up...' (Jhn. 3:14). 'And I', he said later, 'if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die... '(Jhn. 12:32-33). The Lord was demonstrating that in his life of perfect obedience to his Father and in his death by crucifixion, he would be putting to death the evil propensities of the flesh; thereby showing that the flesh could produce no good thing, and that only Yahweh is wholly righteous. The flesh is thus rightly related to death: Jhn. 6:63; Rom. 7:18-21; Gal. 5:17-21. Christ's example for us to follow: Rom. 6:1-13. From what the serpent was, and what he produced, we must learn that there is nothing in the natural man which can bring forth anything whatever to the glory of God. The carnal mind can never be brought into subjection to the will of God, so it must be crushed by the influence of the indwelling of the word of God (Rom. 8:7,13). Therefore, our lives must be ordered and directed according to divine principles, if we are to become pleasing to God. The promise of Gen. 3:15, then, is a promise of mankind's eventual restoration to God, through the seed of the woman gaining the victory over the serpent power in the struggle against sin. Christ therefore died that he might live for ever (Jhn. 10:17; Phil. 2:8-9; Acts 2:24). Now, the power of his perfect sacrifice can provide a covering for the sins of all who draw near to God through Christ, 'in spirit and in truth' (1 Jhn. 1:9; Jhn. 4:23-24)." (John Ullman, First Principles of the One True Faith, p. 40-41).
The new claim is that brother Ullman in the first paragraph teaches "When the Diabolos was Destroyed" from his physical nature, "at the hour of his death". A few points therefore are worthy of attention:
  1. Those who claim this doctrine also refer us to "When and Where Did Christ Make the One Great Offering" #8. There brother Thomas says the Jesus-altar was cleansed, "After the veil of his flesh was rent and before he awoke at the early dawn of the third day". The time given by brother Thomas is inclusive of the time in which the Lord lay dead. But brother Ullman says "at the hour of death". Now, which timing is accurate? Frankly, those making this claim on brother Ullman's writings don't care. All they want is to find 'supporters' who teach the Lord was raised with a different physical nature than that which he crucified.
  2. Those who would interpret this paragraph to teach this new doctrine will be disappointed to find that brother Ullman directly contradicts this misinterpretation of his words just 32 pages later. I'll quote it below. But to deal directly with this paragraph:
  3. Brother Ullman does not say the Lord cleansed his own body at his crucifixion or during the time he lay in the tomb. He says "thus he effectively 'crushed' the head of the serpent." This language is the figurative language of prophecy. The word 'effectively' often means "for all practical purposes". The word 'crushed' is in quotes indicating that the reader is to consider how the word is to be understood, and not necessarily taken literally. Of course, all this is a mute point to those who wish to claim brother Ullman supported their new doctrine.
  4. Notice that in the second paragraph brother Ullman uses the word crushed in relation to our own lives: "The carnal mind can never be brought into subjection to the will of God, so it must be crushed by the influence of the indwelling of the word of God." Those who quote these paragraphs interpret the first 'crushed' in quotes as absolute when the context suggests they should not, but they would never interpret the later use of the word the same way, even though it appears without quotes or a qualifying adverb!
But decisively, on page 73 of brother Ullman's book, we read,
“In giving himself as a perfect sacrifice — the anti-type of the Passover Lamb — the Lord Jesus Christ was the first one to benefit from his sacrifice, since, after his resurrection, he cast off forever the shackles and proclivities which are inherent in Adamic nature: Hebrews 5:1-2; 9:12 (Lit., "he found for himself eternal redemption" — third person, masc, middle voice); 9:22; 13:20.” (The First Principles of the One True Faith, p. 73)
Those who teach this new doctrine of the Lord being cleansed at his death must reinterpret this quote such as claiming that "shackles" refers to the Lord being dead, even though brother Ullman applies shackes to that which is "inherent in Adamic nature", that is to say, a living body. I've never heard of brethren who believe dead bodies have proclivities. A plain reading of the English leaves the honest-minded reader with one conclusion: Brother Ullman taught that the cleansing of the Lord from "the shackles and proclivities inherent in Adamic nature" did not occur until "after his resurrection" from the grave.

Brother Ullman Spells Out His Position on the New Doctrine

In 2003 brother Keith Cook published an article entitled What is Diabolos. I asked brother Ullman for his comments on this article. Commenting upon Keith Cook's misuse of Romans 7:6 brother Ullman wrote:
"To say that 'by this means sin was destroyed in the Lord' is a statement used to try and prove that the Lord came forth from the grave redeemed from sin in the flesh, and therefore he came forth in another nature, or another form – to which Brother Thomas says: 'Passing through the grave cleanses no one…' He says of the Lord’s body: 'It was restored to its former life.' (His italics). 'He rose again, the same Jesus that was buried.' He also wrote: 'All that comes out of the ground is cursed, and unclean; so that even the body of Jesus and the bodies of the approved saints… require to be justified, rectified, purged, or perfected… In such a removal of curse and uncleanness, a higher nature is developed…' (Again, J.T.’s italics)." (John Ullman, January 20th, 2003)
Now, any honest-minded reader would see that brother Ullman was rejecting this teaching that the Lord came forth from the grave "in another nature" than that which he crucified. And he quotes brother Thomas saying, "passing through the grave cleanses no one" and brother Thomas likens the pre-resurrectional (pre-immortal) state "of Jesus and the bodies of the approved saints" as equivalent.
In the same article written by Keith Cook, brother Cook wrote,
"By this means, the ‘diabolos’ was prevented from surviving the sacrifice that was made specifically for the destruction of sin, although the nature in which it had dwelt, remained a mortal one, or a nature still capable of dying, and therefore still unclean because subject to the law of death, until immortalization, when death, the effect of sin, was also destroyed." (Keith Cook, January 2003)
Brother Ullman's wrote the following note in response:
"This is a dubious contradiction. If 'the law of sin' was destroyed at Christ’s death, how could he have come forth from the grave 'still unclean because subject to the law of death' and as a 'mortal' man? Sad to say, the illogical reasoning in the above paragraph is nonsense. I might add that I have never heard this teaching until a Brother John Wilson (Adelaide) brought it to light over here in Perth a few years ago, claiming it is taught in Catachesis (which it is not). Tragically, it was then taken up by Keith and Graeham."  (John Ullman, January 20th, 2003)
These particular brethren, in interpreting pages 40 and 41, ought not make brother Ullman contradict himself. He denounced the claim as a "dubious contradiction", "illogical reasoning", and "nonsense". Brother Ullman testifies he had never heard this doctrine until roughly the year 2000. No doubt some held it before then. But brother Ullman was a brother with wide experience and close participation in the work of Logos over many years. He rejected these teachings in his life and they should not be foisted upon him during his sleep.
Finally, as to the claim of "the law of sin" and "the law of death" being distinct, brother Ullman wrote me on a number of occasions about the move Logos was making away from the historicalunderstanding of "the law of sin and death". In September 2004 he wrote to me saying,
“Graeham is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. He is now openly proclaiming and defending his 'law of sin' and 'law of death' theory with some forcefulness. I believe this unwise article will cause a furore in Adelaide, to say nothing of ramifications elsewhere. It seems evident that GEM is now acting to defend his own position, and is doing so without receiving any wise advice. (Compare many of the kings of Israel!).” (John Ullman, September 22, 2004)
Brother Ullman told me and at least one other brother that he had instructed GEM not to publish anything else he had ever written in the pages of Logos. No one should be left wondering why.

QUESTIONS AND QUESTIONS

Haste, haste, escape the snare, ere it be too late.—Robert Roberts

QUESTIONS AND QUESTIONS

FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF ALL WHO BELIEVE THERENUNCIATIONIST THEORY [Clean Flesh],
AS
DEFINED IN THE FOLLOWING PROPOSITION:
That the body of Jesus did not inherit the curse of Adam, though derived from him through Mary; and was therefore not mortal; that his natural life was “free;” that in this “free” natural life, he “earned eternal life,” and might, if he had so chosen, have avoided death, or even refused to die upon the cross, and entered into eternal life alone; his death being the act of his own free will, and not in any sense necessary for his own salvation; that his sacrifice consisted in the offering up of an unforfeited life, in payment of the penalty incurred by Adam and his posterity, which was eternal death; that his unforfeited life was slain in the room and stead of the forfeited lives of all believers of the races of Adam. [Modern clean flesh has changed somewhat from the above proposition. Today's clean-flesh, consistent with Edward Turney, Harry Fry, A.D. Strickler, John Bell et al. denies that Jesus had "no sin in the flesh" Doctrine to be Rejected #27- SG]
1.—It is written, that “Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.”—(Rom. 15:8.) It is further written, that “He is the mediator of the new covenant, that by means of death . . . they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance; for where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.” Confirmatory of these declarations, Jesus, at the last supper, in handing the wine to his disciples, said, “This is the new testament in my blood.”—(Luke 22:20.) Query: Could the covenants of promise have been brought into force without the death of Jesus the testator?
2.—If not, how could Jesus, without dying, have obtained his portion of the covenant? seeing the promises (to Abraham) were “to thee and to thy seed, ” “which,” says Paul (Gal. 3:16), “is Christ; ” and the promise to David was, “I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.”—(2 Sam. 7:13.)
3.—Jesus being included in the covenants of promise, and the covenants being of no force without his death, did he not in this sense, in dying, die for himself, as well as for all others interested therein?
4.—Jesus tells us (Jno. 10:18) that he had received a commandment from the Father, to lay down his life, by submitting to be crucified. If Jesus had disobeyed this command, would be not have committed sin? If so, could he have been saved? How was it possible, then, that he could “enter eternal life alone?”
5.—And seeing his obedience unto death (Phil. 2:9) was a necessity to his own acceptance with the Father, did he not in this obedience, obey for himself as well as for the joint heirs (Rom. 8:17)? And seeing that obeying in this case was dying, did he not in dying, die for himself as well as for his brethren? (Other questions will bring it closer than this.)
6.—Jesus, in speaking of his death, says, “For this cause came I unto this hour” (Jno. 12:27); further, that “the Son of Man is come to give his life a ransom for many;” further, that this was the will of Him who had sent him, and whose will he had come to do. He was introduced to Israel as “The Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world” (Jno. 1:29) “by the sacrifice of himself” (Heb. 9:26); and Paul testifies that he was made a little lower than the angels, expressly for the suffering of death.—(Heb. 2:9.) Does it not appear on the evidence, that the very work he was sent into the world to do was to die? Could he have “earned eternal life” without doing the work the Father sent him to do? If not, could he “earn eternal life” without dying? If not, is it not a violation of the wisdom of God for anyone to speak of the possibility of his claiming eternal life before his death, and entering into the enjoyment of it alone? (If Adam in Eden had been appointed to die, could you have said his life was “free?” Who can make “free” from the appointment of God?)
7.—Peter testifies that “Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh.”—(1 Peter 3:18; 4:1.) What flesh was this? Was not this the flesh of his brethren?—(Eph. 5:30; Heb. 2:16.) If so, was it not mortal flesh? And if “mortal flesh,” was it not as much under destination to die as the mortal flesh of all men? If not, how can it be the flesh of the children?
8.—Is not our destination to die an inherited physical law in the flesh, resultant in the first instance, from the sin of Adam, and, therefore, called sin? If not, in what sense has death passed upon all men? But it is not a matter of argument. We see it every day with our eyes that a fixed tendency to dissolution is a quality of the flesh of Adam. Can a man partake of the flesh of Adam and not partake of this? Where is the testimony that he can? (An opinion is worth nothing.)
9.—Why was Jesus “put to death in the flesh” of Adam? Paul says it was that “through death he might destroy that having the power of death.” If “that having the power of death” was not in his body, how could he “through death” destroy it? On the other hand, how could he be a body of the flesh of Adam without also having in himself that which was “the power of death” in it?
10.—You say that the body of Christ was not sinful flesh, but “a likeness” of it? In what did the likeness flesh consist if it was not of the same sort? It is testified that he was made in “the likeness of men.”—(Phil. 2:8.) Would you, therefore, say he was “not a man but a likeness of one?” If not—if you say he was a man, though Paul says he was made in the likeness, why not say he was sinful flesh though Paul says he was sent in the likeness of it?
11.—Paul says that God sending forth His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, “condemned sin in the flesh:” (Rom. 7:3), how could this have been done if there be no such thing as “sin in the flesh,” and if Christ was “not sinful flesh but a likeness of it?”
12.—Moses says that Adam begat a son “in his own likeness” (Gen. 5:3): does this mean that the son so begotten was, in any sense, of a dissimilar nature to his father?” If you say No, as you are bound to, why do you contend that a “likeness of sinful flesh” is dissimilar to sinful flesh itself?
13.—When Christ spoke of laying down his life, did he not refer to his voluntary (as regards men) submission to a violent death? If he meant that he was not mortal; and that away from a violent death, he would not have died, how are we to understand John’s exhortation to “lay down our lives for the brethren?”—(1 John 3:16.) Did John mean that in the ordinary course, those to whom he wrote would not die?
14.—Peter says “he bore our sins in his own body on the tree.”—(1 Peter 2:24; Is. 53:6.)
Does this mean the very acts of disobedience themselves or their effects? As the former is inadmissible, it must be the latter. If he bore their effects in his body, was not his body mortal, which is the effect of sin?
15.—If you say that our sins were laid on him in the same way as they were laid on the sacrificial animals in the Mosaic system of things (which was a mere ceremonial or artificial imputativeness,) how comes it that those sacrifices never could take away sins? (Heb. 10:2, ) and where then is the substance of the shadow? The ceremonial imposition of sins upon the animals was the type; the real putting of sin on the Lamb of God in the bestowal of a prepared sin-body wherein to die, is the substance.
16.—Paul says that they who commit transgressions are “worthy of death,” (Rom. 1:32), and that “the end of these things is death.”—(Rom. 6:21.) Is there any difference in point of fatality between sentence of death for these things, and the hereditary sentence of death upon Adam?
17.—As you will not say that death is more fatal than death, howsoever incurred, tell me how it is that you think that death on Adam’s account would have destroyed Christ, while believing that death because of our offences had no such effect?
18.—Even if we “sinned in Adam,” in the personal sense contended for on behalf of your theory, did Christ not bear the effect of that as well as all our other offences? If so, did he not come under Adamic condemnation? If not, is our sin in Adam untaken away, and in that case, how can we be saved?
19.—John testifies that Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), and this reaches backward before Christ’s time, as well as forward; as is evident from Paul’s statement that Christ died “for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament.” On what ground is Adam to be excluded from the scope of this provision? Did not the coats of skin provided in Paradise (Gen. 3:21) convey an intimation that his sins could be covered? Is it not evident from this consideration that Adam’s condemnation, as well as ours, rested on Christ?
20.—David was a mortal man. Was not the flesh of Jesus the flesh of David? If so, was not the flesh of Jesus mortal likewise? If so, why? Was it not the effect of hereditary condemnation? If it was not mortal, how could it be the flesh of David which was mortal?
21.—Was not Jesus the son of David? If you believe this, which you cannot deny in the face of so much explicit testimony, are you not bound to admit that he was son of Adam. If David was son of Adam, and Christ was son of David, is not Christ the son of Adam also? Does not Luke carry his paternity back to Adam?—(Luke 3:31.) His sonship to Adam through Mary being unquestionable, does it not follow, that equally with us, he inherited mortality from him?
22.—Did Adam experience evil before disobedience? You are bound to answer No. What parallel then can there be between him in that state, and Jesus in the days of his flesh, experiencing weakness, grief, pain and death?
23.—If Jesus did not hereditarily participate in these effects of sin, how came they to be his portion in the days of his weakness, down even to the particular of eating his bread by the sweat of his brow?—(Mark 6:3.)
24.—If he had not patiently endured these things for the joy set before him, would he have been accepted? As you must say, ‘No,’ does it not follow that in this sense he suffered them for himself, while for us also?
25.—Were they not results of sin, and though he was personally righteous, did he not suffer them in himself for his own proof? and if he had working within him one result of sin, upon what principle will you deny the presence in him of its one great result—hereditary mortality in the flesh?
26.—If Jesus Christ, in the days of his flesh, was in the same position as Adam before disobedience, why did Christ experience evil and Adam not? How could he be in the same position in which Adam was before disobedience, seeing he was born of a woman who inherited the results of that disobedience, and that which is born of the flesh is flesh?
27.—Paul says, “God hath made Jesus to be sin.”—(2 Cor. 5:21). How is this to be understood, if death, the wages of sin, had no hold on him? Was he not made sin in being made of a woman, who was mortal because of sin, and could only impart her own sinful flesh to a son begotten of her?
28.—Paul says, (Heb. 9:28, ) that Christ will appear the second time without sin unto salvation. This is equivalent to saying that the first time was not without sin. In what sense did he come the first time with sin if his flesh was not sinful flesh, and the law of sin had no hereditary claim?
29.—If you say it means a sin-offering, can you explain how it comes that a sin-offering is expressed by the word “sin,” if the sin-offering is in no sense sinful? and how do you in that case understand Paul’s statement (Rom. 6:10), that when he died, he died unto sin once? He did not die unto a sin-offering; but in making himself a sin-offering, he died unto sin. If the hereditary law of sin wrought in his members unto death, as in the members of his brethren, we can understand how in dying, he died unto sin; for as Paul says (verse 7), “he that is dead, is freed from sin,” sin having no more claim after that; but how can you understand it?
30.—Then, suppose we accept your paraphrase of it, and read for “sin,” “sin-offering,” in what did the sin-offering consist? Was it not his body, even as Paul says, that “we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ once?”—(Heb. 10:10.) And in what sense can his body be called sin, if it was clean from the hereditary effects of the sin-nature from which it was extracted?
31.—Paul says (Gal. 4:4), that Jesus in being born of woman, was “made under the law,” which law he tells us in 2 Cor. 3:7, was a “ministration of death.” Now, why was Jesus made under this death-ministrant law? If you answer according to Paul, you will say, to redeem them that were under it. Does it not follow from this, that in the divine process of redemption, the Redeemer had to be personally subject to the law to be redeemed from?
32.—How, on your theory of redemption, as applied to the Edenic law, can you make out this to have been necessary? If the life of a free, uncompromised man, standing outside the Edenic law, could be accepted in substitution for that of offenders under that law, why could not the life of a free, uncompromised man, outside the Mosaic law, have sufficed, in the same manner, to redeem those who where under it?
33.—Does not your new-Adam theory, in fact, require that Jesus should have been born not under but outside of the law?
34.—Not only so, but consider how redemption from the Mosaic law was effected. You are aware that under this law, “he was made a curse,” though he never broke it. You are further aware that this being made a curse did not simply consist in dying, but that it laid personal hold on him through the mode in which he was killed. “He that hangeth on a tree is accursed of God.” Presuming you will not say that any of God’s ways are unnecessary, are you not bound to admit from these premisses, that before Jesus could deliver those who were under the curse of the law of Moses, it was necessary that he himself should come under that curse, though guiltless?
35.—If so, was it not equally necessary that he should come personally under the operation of the Adamic curse, in order to redeem those who were under it?
36.—As a matter of fact, did he not come under that curse in precisely the way we do, in being born of woman condemned?
37.—For what is the curse? Is it a sentence passed on us personally, or is it an inherited condition of our physical nature? The former you will not maintain, and the latter you are obliged to accept.
38.—Upon which comes the question, Was not Christ’s physical nature the same as ours? In saying “Yes,” which you are obliged to do if you speak according to the Word, you concede the whole question, and must renounce the Renunciationist theory.
39.—If you take refuge in the new-born quibble about life, I must ask you What is life in relation to us? Is it not organism in a vital state?
40.—Can you have human life without human organism? And is not the character of the life determined by the character of the organism? Thus, out of the same materials, does not dog organism generate dog life, horse organism horse life, and human organism human life? (assuming the distinction between life and organism merely out of accommodation to the theory).
41.—These things being undisputed, does it not follow that if the body of Jesus, was the Adamic organism, generated in the womb of Mary, in the ordinary gestatory period, possessed and manifested Adamic life? (employing that phrase merely out of accommodation to the new theory).
42.—How can a man’s flesh be condemned without the life generated in it being condemned also?
43.—And if the flesh of Christ was not condemned, how could the flesh of Christ be the flesh of David, Moses and Abraham, seeing that the flesh of these fathers was in that state of death-constitution through extraction from Adam?
44.—You seem to consider hereditary mortality in Adam more fatal than death incurred by individual delinquency. In other words, you call it “eternal death” apart from a Redeemer. If in this you are right, how comes it that the law of Moses would have given eternal life if the flesh had been equal to the keeping of it? Paul says it was “ordained to life.”—(Rom. 7:10.) Showing that this meant eternal life, Jesus, in answer to the question how eternal life was to be attained, said “What is written in the law? How readest thou? Keep the commandments. This do, and thou shalt live.” But Christ was the only man that ever kept the law without fault, and he was God-manifest in the flesh by the Spirit, for the purpose. All others were unable to keep it. Hence the law was “weak through the flesh.” If men had been able to keep it, obedience would have led to resurrection after Adamic death, as in the case of Christ. God does not hold us individually responsible for Adam’s offence. We inherit the effects, but could have been redeemed from them by obedience, if that had been possible. But how, according to your construction of Adamic death, could obedience have led to “eternal life?”
45.—Besides, if the Adamic penalty was eternal death, and the death of Christ was the suffering of that penalty in our stead, would not his resurrection, in that case, have been impossible?
47.—It is truly testified that Christ died “for us;” but it is evident that the phrase “for us,” means on account of us, and not instead of us. It is not only testified that he died for us, but that he died for our sins.”—(1 Cor. 15.3.) Does this mean instead of our sins? So while it is said that he was sacrificed for us (1 Cor. 5:7), it is also said he was sacrificed for sins.—(Heb. 10:12.) Should you understand he was sacrificed instead of our sins?
48.—It is testified (Luke 1:69), that God “hath raised up for us a horn of salvation.” Does this mean raised up instead of us?
49.—It is testified (Rom. 4:21), that Christ was raised again for our justification. Does this mean instead of our justification?
50.—It is testified (Rom. 8:34), “that Christ also maketh intercession for us.” Does this mean instead of us? (See also Heb. 9:24; 10:20.)
51.—So also with the statement, “Christ died for them.”—(2 Cor. 5:15.) If this means instead of them, how are we to understand the following statements: “I pray for them” (John 17:9); “He ever liveth, to make intercession for them” (Heb. 7:25); “Spirits sent forth to minister for them.”—(Heb. 1:14., &c.)
52.—But though the appearance of Jesus in the flesh, and all that he went through, was “for us,” surely you will not deny that in all he did for us, he was individually comprehended as the elder brother of the family. For instance, his birth was for us; “hath raised up for us an horn of salvation in the house of his servant, David;” but was his birth not for himself also? If he had not been born, where would have been the Messiah and the glory to be revealed? I could understand a Trinitarian saying that it was unnecessary for him to be born for himself; but one believing that Christ was Son of God from his mother’s womb, and that the Deity in him was the Father, is bound to recognise the fact that Christ was not only born for us, but born for himself as well.
53.—Again, Christ was obedient for us, as is manifest from the testimony, “by one man’s OBEDIENCE many shall be made righteous;” but was he not obedient for himself as well? If he had been disobedient, would he have been saved, “in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications, with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save him from death.”—(Heb. 5:7.)
54.—So he died for us; but did he not die for himself also? How otherwise could he have been made free from that sin which God laid upon him in sending him forth in the likeness of sinful flesh? Paul says that “he that is dead is freed from sin,” and that “in that Christ died, he died unto sin once, ” being raised from the dead, death hath no moredominion over him.—(Rom. 6:7, 9, 10.) Is it not clear from this that the death of Christ was necessary to purify his own nature from the sin-power of death that was hereditarily in him in the days of his flesh?
5.—If to this you object, let me call your attention to Paul’s definition of the priesthood which Christ took not to himself, but received from the Father: “Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way, for that he himself also is compassed with infirmities, and by reason hereof, he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.”—(Heb. 5:2, 3.)
56.—Again, if Christ’s offering did not comprehend himself in the scope of it, how are we to understand the statement of Paul that he “needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins and then for the people’s, for this he did once when he offered up himself?”—(Heb. 7:27.)
57.—As Christ was the antitype of the high priest who “went alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the errors of the people” (Heb. 9:7), is it not required that his sacrifice should comprehend himself as well as his people in the effect of its operation?
58.—If you deny this most obvious conclusion, how do you explain the fact that the Messiah Prince in the future age, at the restored feast of the Passover, “shall prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering?”—(Ezek. 45:22.) Do you deny that the sacrifices in the future age are memorial, like the breaking of bread of what has been, in the same way as the sacrifices under Moses are typical of what was to be? Presuming you are scripturally enough informed to give the right answer to this, let me ask how the Messiah’s offering for himself as well as for the people can be a memorial offering, if Christ in dying for us did not die for himself as well?
59.—To put it in a simpler form, in whatever sense our sins were laid on Christ, did they not, for the time being, become his; and, if so, did it not require his death that he might be purified from them, and, in this sense, in dying for us, did not he die for himself as well?
60.—It is testified that he rose again for our justification, but was it not for his own justification as well? If not, how do you understand Paul’s declaration, that in rising, he was “justified in the Spirit?”—(1 Tim. 3:16.)
61.—He ascended to heaven to appear in the presence of God for us (Heb. 9:27); but was not this also for his own exaltation and glory? If not, what mean the words of Peter and Paul, “that because of his obedience, God hath highly exalted him” “to His right hand.”—(Phil. 2:9; Acts 2:33; 5:31.)
62.—He is coming again for us (John 14:3; Heb. 9:28); but is he not coming for himself also, that he may see of the travail of his soul and be satisfied (Isa. 53:11), and be glorified and admired in all them that believe?”—(2 Thess. 1:10.)
63.—It is all “for us,” but is he not included, as the first-born among the many brethren, whom, as captain, he leads to glory?—(Rom. 8:29; Heb. 2:9.)
64.—Your theory alleges that Christ in dying, paid the debts we owed on account of our sins. If this unscriptural representation of the case were true, would it not follow that forgiveness was ours as a matter of fact, as soon as he died? and if so, how comes it to pass that remission of sins is only attainable by believing and obeying the gospel?
65.—And in that case would not forgiveness be a right to be claimed? If another man pays my debt, can I not of right claim exemption from the demand of my creditor? And if divine forgiveness is of this order (viz: remission because of satisfaction obtained), how comes it that Paul says that “the remission of sins that are past” is “through the forbearance of God?”—(Rom. 3:25.) And how are we in that case to understand the class of declarations abounding in the apostolic epistles, of which the following are examples: “God hath shut up all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.”—(Rom. 11:32.) Again, “according to His mercy He saved us.”—(Titus 3:4.) “The favour of God that bringeth salvation, hath appeared,” (Titus 3:11) “being justified freely by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”—(Rom. 3:24.) “God was in Christreconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them.”—(2 Cor. 5:19.) Again, “having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.”—(Eph. 1:5.) Do not these scriptural representations exclude the idea that we are saved, because Christ has “satisfied” God by “paying our debts?”
66.—Do you believe God is just and righteous? How then can you accept a theory which represents Him as requiring the death of one who under no law of His, could righteously be required to die?
67.—If Christ inherited Adamic mortality, was not his death in that case in harmony with the righteousness of God?
68.—Wherein lay the “help” laid upon Christ by God for us? Was it not in the power of obedience in conception imparted to him, for was it not his obedience that brought resurrection and life? If you say the “help” lay in “free life,” (a thing about which the Scriptures are silent,) are you not committed to the conclusion that our “help” vanished when that “free life” was destroyed in death?
69.—I could understand the possibility of “free life” being “help” if it was necessary for the deliverer to be exempt from death, but seeing the necessity lay just the other way, that is, that he should “taste of death,” is it not absurd, as well as unscriptural, to call his life “free?”
70.—Was not Jesus God manifest in the flesh? If you say that Adam was God manifest in the flesh as well (but surely no one would go to such a terrible depth of mere-manism), how comes it that the only place where Christ is called Adam, introduces Christ as a contrast to Adam, saying “the first man is of the earth, earthy, the second Adam is Lord from heaven?
71.—If Jesus was God manifest in the flesh and Adam was not, is it not clear that you are precluded from drawing that parallel between them which your new theory assumes throughout?
72.—Does not the difference lie here, that in Adam man loses himself, and in Christ, God saves him, that salvation may be of grace and not of works, lest any man should boast?
73.—If Christ be a new Adam, merely succeeding where the other failed, was he not a mere man, and in that case is not Renunciationism mere-manism of the most definite character?
74.—Your theory compels you to teach that the flesh is not a sinful but a good thing. How do you reconcile with such a doctrine the continual disparagements of the flesh with which the Scriptures abound? Thus, “if ye walk after the flesh ye shall die” (Rom. 8:13); “he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption” (Gal. 6:8); “in my flesh dwelleth no good thing.”—(Rom. 7:18.)
74a.—Paul says the substance of the law or things foreshadowed in it are to be found in Christ.—(Col. 2:17; Rom. 2:20; Heb. 9:23; 10:1.) This being so, can your theory furnish the antitype to the High Priest offering for himself?—(Lev. 16:6.)
75.—Can your theory furnish the antitype to the scarlet which entered into the composition of the vail—(that is to say, his flesh?—Heb. 10:20.)
76.—Can your theory furnish the antitype to the uncleanness-imparting bodies of those beasts burnt without the camp? (Heb. 13:11).
77.—Can your theory furnish the antitype to the making atonement for the holy place (Lev. 16:16)?
78.—Can your theory furnish the antitype to the atonement made for the altar? (Lev. 16:18.)
79.—Can your theory furnish the antitype to the atonement made for the holy sanctuary? (Lev. 16:33.)
80.—Can your theory furnish the antitype to atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation wherein God dwelt? (Lev. 16:33.)
81.—If you attempt an answer, do not content yourself with “yes;” but show us wherein all these things which were typical of Christ, have their counterpart in a theory which teaches he had not the condemned nature on him, and therefore, needed not to offer for himself.
82.—Paul says that as it was necessary that these pattern-things in the Mosaic system should be purged with blood, so it was necessary that the things signified should be purged; but with a better sacrifice, that is the sacrifice of Christ—(Heb. 9:23). The Christ of your theory needed no “purging:” therefore does it not follow that he is not the Christ of Paul, who required purging from the law of sin and death, by his own sacrifice?
83.—Paul says of Christ, “it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.”—(Heb. 8:3.) You say of your Christ, that he was under no necessity to offer himself; but might have refused to die, and entered into eternal life alone. Is it not clear that your Christ is not Paul’s Christ, with whom it was a necessity that he should offer up himself, for the purging of his own nature, first, from the uncleanness of death, that having by his own blood obtained eternal redemption (Heb. 9:12), he might be able afterwards to save to the uttermost, them that come unto God by him?—(Heb. 7:25.)
84.—Jesus said, he would be to the generation contemporary with him, “the sign of the son of Jonas,” in being “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”—(Matt. 12:40.) He also said, in reference to his death, “I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how am I straitened till it be accomplished” (Luke 12:50); and “the cup which my Father hath given me to drink, shall I not drink it?”—(John 18:11.) How agrees with these sayings, a theory which speaks of the possibility of death having been omitted from the work of Christ, and of his entering eternal life alone, the very gate to which lay through death?
85.—In fact, in view of all the facts, testimonies and arguments herein adduced, is it not evident that you have got hold of a mere plausible conceit of the fleshly mind, acceptable only to those who are more at home in calculations of pounds, shillings and pence, than in the apprehension of the lofty principles of the oracles of God?
Haste, haste, escape the snare, ere it be too late.—Editor.
The Christadelphian Volume, 1873, pages 460-468