Thursday 29 January 2015

What is the Cause of Mortality?

What is the Cause of Mortality?

According to clean flesh mortality and sin can be separated.
"Who said that mortality can only be affirmed of sin? That is totally wrong. Mortality exists where sin has not entered. Does a lobster die because of sins? Do fish die because their flesh is defiled by sin?" (Clean Flesh teacher quoted in Logos, 1971, p. 207; Reprinted in the Atonement book published by Graeham Mansfield)
What have Christadelphians historically taught?
"Mortality means sin: sin in the flesh." (AJ, Logos, 1971, p. 209)
"In our own day, as recent painful experience has made us aware, a class of believers are treading the same dangerous ground, in teaching that the flesh of Jesus was destitute of that which, in the flesh of his brethren, constitutes the cause or source of mortality." (Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1873, p. 551)
"14. —Peter says 'he bore our sins in his own body on the tree.'—(1 Peter 2:24; Is. 53:6.) Does this mean the very acts of disobedience themselves or their effects? As the former is inadmissible, it must be the latter. If he bore their effects in his body, was not his body mortal, which is the effect of sin?" (Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1873, p. 462)
"So here was a change in physical constitution consequent upon sin, which at last resulted in death. No man understands the balance of life even in mortality. We cannot hope, therefore, this side the Kingdom of God to understand the precise interference with the balance of life that was Adam’s before sin entered the world. All we know (because we are told it by God through an apostle) is that death in relation to man is 'by sin.'" (The Christadelphian, 1907, p. 456-457).
"For those, however, who are prepared to go a little more deeply into the subject, we commend the words of our correspondent. We are dealing with Divine ideas, and the Bible is the text-book which must define our terms. There, the word 'mortal' is only used in relation to the sin-state. It appears many times, but is mainly translated 'man'. The sense in which the word is Scripturally used is revealed in such places as Rom. 6: 12 or 2 Cor. 4: 11" (H. P. Mansfield, Logos, 1951, p. 57)
"His character was spotless; but as being the seed of the woman, of whom no clean flesh can be born (Job 25:4), and seed of Abraham, which is not immaculate, be it virgin or Nazarite,his nature was flesh and blood (Heb. 2:14), which Paul styles 'sinful flesh,' or flesh full of sin, a physical quality or principle which makes the flesh mortal; and called 'sin'because this property of flesh became its law, as the consequence of transgression. 'God made Jesus sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.'—(2 Cor. 5:21.)" (Herald of the Kingdom and Age to come, 1855, p. 51; Reprinted in The Christadelphian, 1873, 1917)
"Who shall deliver me from the body of this death'—-from this law of sin and death to which my body is subject? There is but one that can deliver, even Jesus Christ the Lord, who partook of flesh and blood that through death he might destroy this law of sin and death from the body, that is, diabolos." (John Thomas, Herald of the Kingdom and Age to Come, 1852, p. 182; Reprinted in The Christadelphian 1873, p. 484)
"To say that Adam was mortal before he sinned is really to contradict this, and to affirm that death did not come 'by sin,' but only accelerated death; that the man would have died in any case, even apart from sin, being 'mortal,' but that sin caused him to die quicker. But nevertheless it is objected that sin did not physically change his flesh—as though disease and death did not involve physical change! We have shown (Christadelphian, January, p. 24) the Bible usage of the term 'mortal.' No brother has any authority to invent a new meaning under profession of superior enlightenment (Shield, February, p. 27). In the mouths of inspired men 'mortal' means 'obnoxious to death,' and they teach that man is 'obnoxious to death' by sin." (The Christadelphian, 1905)
Then, again, the man is described as being very good (Gen. 1:31); and, as Adam had not formed a character at that time, it could only be in relation to his physical make-up; but, after disobeying, he is described as knowing good and evil; therefore, the law of mortality became a fixed law of his members, flesh made mortal because of sin, and, therefore, called sin in the flesh, or sin’s flesh, the result of which is exhibited in Mark 7:21–22: Jas. 1:14: Rom. 7:18." (C.C. Walker, The Christadephian, 1914)

Dispelling Confusion

Dispelling Confusion

From a number of sources it has been evident that brethren in some states of Australia are concerned at the danger of "Andrewism" emerging within the Central Fellowship.
We find such forebodings to be somewhat puzzling.
Though the doctrinal position which was espoused by the late J.J. Andrew is still maintained in certain quarters outside the Central Fellowship, we find it difficult to ascertain how current warnings against "Andrewism" can be associated within the Central Fellowship. We have yet to knowingly meet any member of the Central Fellowship who has promoted the doctrinal position which has become known as "Andrewism" — particularly in relation to the question of Christ being accountable to God, legally and/or morally, because of his human nature.
There may be brethren who have become genuinely concerned over this matter. However, in the absence of any evidence to warrant anxiety, we find it difficult to understand why concern should be expressed at the possibility of such teaching affecting the Central Fellowship in Australia.
Some of these fears may result from unclear statements. When cloudy language or ill-defined terminology are circulated, an element of confusion may arise in the minds of some.
For example, we have heard the claim: "Christ had nothing to be forgiven for..." Granted. But why pose such a pointless question when no brother of our acquaintance promotes an erroneous view in this regard?
It has been said: "For our need Christ came into the world..." Again, there is surely no dispute over this. But how did he provide for "our need"? What was required of him to fulfil the Father's purpose for the salvation of the human race? When this aspect of the question is omitted, or not adequately defined, the mere statement that "for our need Christ came into the world" explains nothing.
Again, to say that "our Lord was involved in all that he did for us" is not an incorrect statement. It is, however, totally inadequate to define the truth of the matter.
A view has been expressed that if Christ had to "offer" for himself as well as for us, two separate sacrifices would have been necessary — as though, according to our nature, Christ had a separate need quite apart from our own. How such a line of reasoning could be devised is difficult to understand, in view of the fact that Paul sets forth the truth of the matter with direct clarity: "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once
when he offered up himself..." (Heb. 7:26-27).
Not being a convicted sinner, Christ required no sacrifice for sins committed by him, as we have stressed again and again in the columns of this Magazine. However, so far as his nature was concerned, his "need" was no different from our own.
Christ's character was perfect. His nature was not. Why not clearly state this, and accept the consequences of such a truth, in the inevitable doctrinal conclusions which arise therefrom?
There is every possibility that confusion may result when doubtful terms are used. For example, a Christadelphian publication contained this statement: "Although the word 'flesh' is often used in Scripture pejoratively, because in all mankind with the exception of Christ it has resulted in sin, flesh is not of itself condemned..." (Our italics). This statement is not only incorrect, it presents a view which would meet with the full approval of Nazarenes and other upholders of the "Clean Flesh" philosophy. The Scriptures do not teach this; neither did the Pioneers. The subject of the Atonement should not be treated with such disturbingly inaccurate terminology, which can only breed confusion rather than establish the truth in clarity. Such views are finding sympathy in some areas in Australia, and it is not difficult to understand the reason for this.
What is required is a return to the clear and adequate definitions used uncompromisingly by brethren of earlier generations, particularly the Pioneers.
Claims are being made concerning the teaching of the Pioneer brethren. However, is it not preferable to let the Pioneers speak for themselves, in their own words?
For instance, observe the clear and unclouded language of Bro. Roberts:
But the sacrificial blood was applied to everything as well — Aaron and his sons included (see Lev. 8:14-15; 23-24). An atonement had to be made by the shedding and the sprinkling of blood for and upon them all (Lev. 16:33). As Paul remarks, "almost all things by the law are purged with blood" (Heb. 9:22). Now all these things were declared to be "patterns of things in the heavens", which it is admitted on all hands converged upon and have their substance in Christ. There must, therefore, be a sense in which Christ (the antitypical Aaron, the antitypical altar, the antitypical mercy-seat, the antitypical everything), must not only have been sanctified by the action of the antitypical oil of the Holy Spirit, but purged by the antitypical blood of his own sacrifice.
This conclusion is supposed to be weakened by the statement of Lev. 16:16, that the atonement for the holy place, altar, etc., was to be made "because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins". That is, it is argued from this, that the holy things would have had no uncleanness in themselves apart from the uncleanness of the children of Israel. This must be granted, but it must also be recognized that because the children of Israel were sinful and polluted, the holy things were reckoned as having contracted defilement in having been fabricated by them and through remaining in their midst. This cannot be denied on a full survey of the testimony. They were ceremonially unclean , because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and had to be cleansed by the holy oil and the sacrificial blood before they were acceptable in the Mosaic service.
Now, this is part of the Mosaic figure. There must be an antitype to it. What was it? The holy things, we know, in brief, are Christ. He must, therefore, have been the •subject of a personal cleansing in the process by which he opened the way of sanctification for his people. If the typical holy things contracted defilement from connection with a sinful congregation, were not the antitypical (Christ) holy things in a similar state, through derivation on his mother's side from a sinful race? If not, how came they to need purging with his own "better sacrifice"? (Heb. 9:23).
Great difficulty is experienced by various elasses of thinkers in receiving this view.
Needlessly so, it should seem. There is first the express declaration that the matter stands so: "it was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these (Mosaic sacrifices); but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these" (Heb. 9:23). "It was of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer" (8:3). "By reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins" (5:3). "By his own blood, he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption" (for us,is an addition inconsistent with the middle voice of the verb employed, which imports a thing done by one to one's own self) (9:12).
There was next the necessity that it should be so. The word "necessity", it will be perceived, occurs frequently in the course of Paul's argument. The necessity arises from the position in which men stood as regards the law of sin and death, and the position in which the Lord stood as their redeemer from this position. The position of men was that they were under condemnation to die because of sin, and that not their own sin, in the first instance, but ancestral sin at the beginning. The forgiveness of personal offences is the prominent feature of the apostolic proclamation, because personal offences are the greater barrier. Nevertheless, men are mortal because of sin, quite independently of their own transgressions. Their redemption from this position is a work of mercy and forgiveness, yet a work to be effected in harmony with the righteousness of God, that He might be just while justifying those believing in the Redeemer. It is so declared (Rom. 3:26). It was not to be done by setting aside the law of sin and death, but by righteously nullifying it in one who should obtain this redemption in his own right, and who should be authorized to offer to other men a partnership in his right, subject to required conditions (of their conformity to which, he should be appointed sole judge). . .
We see Jesus born of a woman, and therefore a partaker of the identical nature condemned to death in Eden. We see him a member of imperfect human society, subject to toil and weakness, dishonour and sorrow, poverty and hatred, and all the other evils that have resulted from the advent of sin upon the earth. We see him down in the evil which he was sent to cure: not outside of it, not untouched by it, but in it, to put it away. "He was made perfect through suffering" (Heb. 2:10), but he was not perfect till he was through it. He was saved from death (5:7), but not until he died. He obtained redemption (Heb. 9:12), but not until his own blood was shed.
That statement that he did these things "for us" has blinded many to the fact that he did them "for himself" first — without which, he could not have done them for us, for it was by doing them for himself that he did them for us. He did them for us only as we may become part of him, in merging our individualities in him by taking part in his death, and putting on his name and sharing his life afterwards. He is, as it were, a new centre of healthy life, in which we must become incorporate before we can be saved.
The antitype of the cleansing of the holy things with blood is manifest when we look at Christ as he now is, and contrast him with what he was . . . What lies between the one state and the other? His own death and resurrection. Therefore, by these, he has been purified, and no one else has been so purified as yet. Any one else delivered will be delivered by him, as the result of what he did in himself.
If there was one injunction of the law more strenuous than another, it was that contact with death in any form, however remote or indirect, was defiling. Even to touch a bone made a man unclean: or to be touched by a man unclean from such a cause had the same effect. We have the perfect antitype in the Lord born of a death-bound woman, and therefore made subject to death: it was "that he, by the grace of God, might taste death for every man"; but he was the first to taste, in the process of redemption from it. He was a "body prepared" for the work: prepared as to its power to evolve sinlessness of character, but prepared also as to subjection to that death which it was designed to abolish (2 Tim. 1:10). In him were combined the anti-typical "holy things" requiring atonement, "because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel and because of their transgressions in all their sins". . . The statement remains in its undiminished force that "God sent his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for (as an offering for) sin condemned sin in the flesh". It is, in fact, a complete and coherent statement of what was accomplished in the death of Christ, and a perfect explanation of the reason Why he first came in the flesh, and of the reason why
John the apostle insisted so strenuously on the maintenance of the doctrine that he had so come in the flesh. Possessing sinful flesh was no sin to him, who kept it under perfect control, and "did always those things that pleased the Father". At the same time, being the sinful flesh derived from the condemned transgressors of Eden, it admitted of sin being publicly condemned in him, without any collision with the claims of his personal righteousness, which were to be met by an immediate and glorious resurrection . . . Jesus did not come into the world as an individual, but as a representative, though an individual. In this sense, he came "not for himself", but for others, though he was included in the coming. And it was to carry out Divine objects towards all. As he said, "1 came not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me". He speaks of the work which the Father had given him to do. This work was to establish salvation by forgiveness, but forgiveness on conditions, and these conditions involved the declaration of the Father's righteousness in the public condemnation of sin in its own flesh in the person of a guiltless possessor of that flesh. Paul declares it was so, and controversy really ends with his words.
We may appear to have wandered far away from the sacrificial blood sprinkled on the sanctuary and the altar, and the laver, and on Aaron "to make an atonement for them". Not really have we done so. The operation was a type of God's work in Christ, and it helps us to understand that work rightly, and especially in that one aspect of it which the doctrine of human immortality has made it so difficult for moderns to receive, viz., that Christ himself was included in the sacrificial work which he did "for us". "For himself that it might be for us", for how otherwise could we have obtained redemption if it had not first come into his possession, for us to become joint heirs of? . . . Christ partook of this nature to deliver it from death, as Paul teaches in Heb. 2:14, and other places: "Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil". Understanding by the devil, the hereditary death-power that has reigned among men by Adam through sin, we may understand how Christ, who took part in the death-inheriting nature, destroyed the power of death by dying and rising. We then understand how "He put away sin by the sacrifice of himself". We may also understand how "our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed" (Rom. 6:6), and how he "died unto sin once", but now liveth unto God, to die no more (verses 9-10).
All of which enables us to understand why the typical holy things were purified with sacrificial blood, and why the high priest, in his typical and official capacity had to be touched with blood as well as anointed with the holy oil before entering upon his work. When we say, as some in their reverence for Christ prefer to say, that the death of Christ was not for himself but only for us, they destroy all these typical analogies, and in truth, if their view could prevail, they would make it impossible that it could be for us at all: for it only operates "for us" when we unite ourselves with him in whom, as the firstborn, it had its first effect. Law of Moses pp. 170-179.
We feel it opportune and appropriate to conclude this series of articles by clearly stating, in summary, those things we believe and those things we do not believe.

We Do Not Believe

*  Andrewism.
* That Jesus Christ was a sinner, guilty of moral transgression.
* That Christ required Atonement, in the sense of "forgiveness" or "reconciliation" for his nature.
* That the word "Atonement" means "at-one-ment" or "forgiveness" or "reconciliation".
* That Christ bore the moral and/ or legal guilt of Adam's sin.
* That Christ was alienated from his Father because of his nature, or for any reason.
* That "Jesus never offered any sacrifice for his own human nature" (J. Bell. See The Christadelphian, Sept. 1931, p. 415).

We Do Believe

* The eleven-point summary concerning the Atonement, as set forth in the words of Bro. Roberts (The Christadelphian, Sept. 1896, pp. 33941), under the heading:
The Nature of Man and the Sacrifice of Christ
1.That death entered the World of mankind by Adam's disobedience. —
"By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin" (Rom. 5:12). "In (by or through) Adam all die" (1 Cor. 15:22). "Through the offence of one many are dead" (Rom. 5:15).
2.That death came by decree extraneously to the nature bestowed upon Adam in Eden, and was not inherent in him before sentence.—"God made man in his own image ... a living soul (a body of life) ... very good" (Gen. 1:27; 2:7; 1:31). "Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife... unto dust shalt thou return" (Gen. 3:17,19).
3.Since that time, death has been a bodily law— "The body is dead because of sin" (Rom. 8:10). "The law of sin in my members ... the body of this death" (Rom. 7:23,24). "This mortal ... we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened" (1 Cor. 15:53;2Cor.5:4). "Havingthesentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God who raiseth the dead" (2 Cor. 1:9).
4.The human body is therefore a body of death requiring redemption — "Waiting for the adoption, to wit the redemption of our body" (Rom. 8:23). "He shall change our vile body that it may be fashioned like unto His own glorious body" (Phil. 3:21). "Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" (Rom. 7:24). "This mortal (body) must put on immortality" (1 Cor. 15:53).
5.That the flesh resulting from the condemnation of human nature to death because of sin, has no good in itself, but requires to be illuminated from the outside — "In me (that is in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing" (Rom. 7:18). "Sin dwelleth in me" (Rom. 7:20). "The law of sin which is in my members" (Rom. 7:23). "Every good and perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of Lights" (Jas. 1:17). "Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts" (Matt. 15:19). "He that soweth to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption"
(Gal. 6:8). "Put off the old man which is corrupt, according to the deceitful lusts" (Eph. 4:22).
6.That God's method for the return of sinful man to favour required and appointed the putting to death of man's condemned and evil nature in a representative man of spotless character, whom he should provide, to declare and uphold the righteousness of God, as the first condition of restoration, that he might be just while justifying the unjust, who should believingly approach through him in humility, confession, and reformation. — "God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin condemned sin in the flesh" (Rom. 8:3). "Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself took part of the same, that through death he might destroy that having the power of death, that is, the devil" (Heb. 2:14). "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body to the tree" (1 Pet. 2:24). "Our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed" (Rom. 6:6). "He was tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin" (Heb. 4:15). "Be of good cheer, Ihave overcome the World" (Jhn. 16:33). "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past through the forbearance of God, to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness, that he might be just, and the justifier of him that believeth in Jesus" (Rom. 3:26).
7.—That the death of Christ was by God's own appointment, and not by human accident, though brought about by human instrumentality. — "He that spared not His own Son, butdelivered him up for us all" (Rom. 8:32). "Him being delivered by the determinate council and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain" (Acts 2:23). "Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel were gathered together for to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done" (Acts 4:27). "No man taketh it — my life — from me, but I lay it down of myself; I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father" (John 10:18).
8.That the death of Christ was not a mere martyrdom, but an element in the process of reconciliation — You that sometimes were alienated in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death" (Col. 1:21). "When we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son" (Rom. 5:10). "He was wounded for our transgressions: He was bruised for our iniquity: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5). "1 lay down my life for my sheep" (John 10:15). "Having therefore boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say his flesh, let us draw near" (Heb. 10:20).
9.That the shedding of his blood was essential for our salvation.—"Being justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him" (Rom. 5:9). "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even for the forgiveness of sins" (Col. 1:14). "Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb. 9:22). "This is the new covenant in my blood, shed for the remission of sins" (Matt. 26:28). "The Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" (Jhn. 1: 29). "Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood" (Rev. 1:5). "Have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14).
10.That Christ was himself saved in the Redemption he wrought out for US. — "In the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared. Though he were a son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered. And being made perfect, he became that author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Heb. 5:7-9). "Joint heirs with Christ" (Rom. 8:17). "By his own blood he entered once unto the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption"(Heb. 9:12). "Now the God of peace that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus Christ, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you perfect" (Heb. 13:20).
11.—That as the anti-typical High Priest, it was necessary that he should offer for himself as well as for those whom he represented— "And by reason hereof, he ought as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. So also Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but he that saith unto him," (Heb. 5:3). "Wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer" (Heb. 8:3). "Through the Eternal Spirit, he offered himself without spot unto God" (Heb. 9:14). "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins and then for the people's: for THIS he did once when he offered up himself (Heb. 7:27). "It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens (that is, the symbols employed under the law), should be purified with these (Mosaic sacrifices), but the heavenly things themselves (that is, Christ who is the substance prefigured in the law), with better sacrifices than these" (that is, the sacrifice of Christ —Heb. 9:23).

To the above eleven points we would make but two additions; and these are added only for the purpose of endeavouring to counter confusion which presently appears to exist in regard to two matters in particular:
* Our nature is a misfortune, not a crime. God does not hold any man accountable, legally or morally, because of the nature he bears.
* The word "Atonement" means "covering". It is used in Scripture to represent "covering" for sins and transgressions, and also "covering" for sin's flesh, or human nature, as shown by Bro. Roberts in the above extract from "The Law of Moses".
May we make a final appeal for brethren to carefully consider the Pioneer writings upon the subject of the Atonement; and, in particular, the way in which brethren Thomas and Roberts used the Scriptures of Truth so carefully and plainly to demonstrate that their beliefs upon the subject were in harmony with the teaching of the Word of God. J. U.
from Logos, 1987, p. 336-341. Here is this article in PDF format.

Physical Cleansing

Physical Cleansing

"'Sin in the flesh' is physical" (Robert Roberts, Responsibility Debate #269; Reprinted in Atonement: Salvation Through the Blood of Christ, p. 113)
"Immortalization is the physical cleansing" (Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1876, p. 42)
"'This corruptible'. This is Paul’s description of the bodily estate of the righteous resurrected, who in 'the time of the dead' stand up for judgment and change into the divine nature. Of these Christ is 'the first-fruits' (1 Cor. 15:53, 20). He was once in 'this corruptible' flesh and blood estate, from which he needed physical cleansing just as much as his imperfect brethren. For God 'hath made him to be sin for us who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him' (2 Cor. 5:21). We set forth the apostolic phrase, 'this corruptible,' as sufficient answer to brother Bell’s 'railing accusation' against ourselves and W.J.Y. in The Shield for February, and in his support of the 'clean flesh' heresy. It is satisfactory (negatively) to see him deliberately disown Dr. Thomas’ teaching in Elpis Israel. Thus, quoting Dr. Thomas, he says, 'The flesh is invariably regarded as unclean.' And he immediately adds, 'Yes, by Dr. Thomas, but not by God in the Bible.' Now Christadelphians know where brother Bell stands." (C. C. Walker, The Christadelphian, 1922)
"To say that a man is purged, purified, or cleansed is the same as to affirm that he is justified, or constituted righteous, and sanctified or made holy it is sin that makes unclean— unclean by nature, because born of sinful flesh; and unclean by practice, because transgressors in the sight of God. The cleansing process is therefore intellectual, moral, and physical. The work begins by cleansing the intellect, casting out as it were all the devils that have established themselves there through the doctrines of fleshly men.... But the cleansing of the soul needs to be followed by the cleansing of the body to make the purification of the man complete. If the spiritual cleansing have been well done (and if the word of truth have done it, it will) the corporeal cleansing will be sure to follow." (John Thomas, Herald of the Kingdom and Age to Come, 1855)
"'An altar of earth.' The first man of the earth was earthy. The second man was earthy until cleansed, or raised a spiritual body." (John Thomas, The Christadelphian, Begun But Never Finished, 1872)
"The doing of service is indispensable so long as human nature is 'sinful flesh.' If when believers are justified and sanctified morally and constitutionally, they were also physically cleansed, or purified from that evil principle which brings them into death and corruption, religious service would be unnecessary. When they rise from the dead, they will be free from this evil; nevertheless they will perform religious service; but it will be for nations and individuals subject to this evil, and not for themselves." (John Thomas, Herald of the Kingdom and Age to Come, 1851)
"It has been stated, however, that this refusal to contemplate Jesus apart from his redemptive work is tantamount to an evasion of the question, and it has been asked again, ‘Did Jesus have to die simply because God willed it as an act of obedience or was it necessary for the cleansing of his sin-nature?’ Here again we have the fallacious distinction between the will of God and the law of God. What is moral cleansing but God forgiving our sins? What is physical cleansing but God changing our nature? Sacrifice is necessary for both, because God chooses to make it so." (Islip Collyer, 1898)
"The Most Holy Place pointed to ultimate glorification: physical perfection in changed bodies; in exaltation to the immortal state of the Kingdom of God. This also was the experience of the Lord Jesus Christ. He was raised from the grave and given his Father's nature; elevated to his Father's right hand in glory and power; and became the surety for others who follow him." (Keith Cook, Logos,January 1980, p. 128)
Priest and Universal Monarch. 'Joshua the son of Josedech" — Like the other names in this chapter, these are significant. Joshua is the Old Testament form of Jesus. It is Yashua in Hebrew, and signifies 'Yah's salvation.' Josedech means 'Yahweh hath cleansed,' or justified. When the Lord was raised from the grave, and given divine nature, he was physically cleansed, and set before mankind as the only means of salvation. He was 'delivered for our offences, and raised again for our justification." (Rom. 4: 25). (Logos, April 1957, p. 255)
"This pointed forward to the offering of the Lord: his body saw no corruption in the grave (Acts 2:27), and, rising therefrom, his nature was changed from the state of mortality to that of immortality. Thus the type remarkably foreshadowed the antitype." (Exodus Expositor, p 400)

"The Likeness of Sinful Flesh"

"The Likeness of Sinful Flesh"

"It was necessary for this that God should 'send his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh.' Have we to infer from that word 'likeness' that the flesh of Christ only resembled sinful flesh, and was not actually such? A similar phrase occurs in Phil. 2:7: 'he was made in the likeness of men.' This likeness was identity; Jesus was a man. And that Jesus partook of the flesh common to men is decisively proved by Paul’s words in Heb. 2:14, where terms are added together to establish that Jesus shared the flesh and blood of the children whom he came to lead to salvation (verse 10). 'Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death.' To appreciate the emphasis of this language, the reader is recommended to read the passage through several times, omitting in turn the words 'also,' 'himself,' and 'likewise,' and then with all three words omitted. It will then be apparent that their work is to emphasize the 'sameness' of Christ’s nature and ours.
"But why did not Paul say in Rom 8:3, 'God sent His Son in sinful flesh'? Because he was stressing the sameness here also, with the additional fact that though like us in nature he was not like us incharacter. He was the sinless One." (John Carter, The Christadelphian, 1930, p. 8)

"Question 19.—The body of Christ, then, was not under condemnation?
"Answer.—Certainly it was; just as much as Mary’s, from which it was formed. As the seed of David according to the flesh, it was weak and mortal. (1) Paul gives prominence to this; and it forms a vital element of the testimony concerning the Messiah. If he was the seed of David according to the flesh, he stood, in the days of his flesh, in all the relations of David, but had some superadded relations, by reason of being the root of David, as well as his offspring (2.) To say that ‘God sent His Son, not in simple flesh, but in the likeness of it,’ is to deny the doctrine which John made necessary for acknowledgment among the first century believers. He said ‘many deceivers are entered into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-Christ. Look to yourselves that ye lose not those things which we have wrought' (3). If it be asked, In what flesh did Jesus come, the answer is, David’s flesh (4); for he is the son of David (5). Still more decisive is the declaration of Paul that he took part of 'the same' flesh and blood as that possessed by his brethren (6). Paul does not contradict this in saying that 'God sent forth His Son in theομοιωματι of the flesh of sin.' The word ομοιωματι is truly translated 'likeness,' but it is likeness in the sense of identity, and not in the sense of such a resemblance as should leave room for its not being 'the same.' This is evident from the derivation of the original word. It comes from the verb ομωο, to join together, which, when united with a substantive termination, gives the idea of a joining together, resulting in a producing of the same. This is illustrated in ομοιομντριος, born of the same mother; ομοιοπατριος, sprung from the same father; ομοιοονσιος, of like substance, that is, the same substance; ομοιολογια, uniformity of speech, that is, the same speech; ομοιοαρκτο, beginning alikeομοθνμος, of one mind; ομοθεν, from the same place. If the word 'like' be substituted for the word 'same,' in all those cases, we shall have the sense in which Paul speaks of Jesus being sent forth in the likeness ομοιωματι of the flesh of sin. It is the sense expressed in his other declarations, that Jesus partook of the same flesh and blood as the children, and that he was of the seed of david according to the flesh. Even of the brethren, of whose absolute identity with the flesh of sin no question will be raised, Paul uses the apparently loose expression, 'We have borne the image of the earthy.'—(1 Cor. 15:49.) 'Image of the earthy' and 'likeness of sinful flesh' are of equal force, and both mean an actual participation of the nature spoken of. The fact that ομοιωματος is sometimes used in the sense of resemblance, cannot exclude the evidence that, as applied to Jesus, in the matter of sinful flesh, it means resemblance in all particulars 'the same.' To say that 'God sent His Son, not in simple flesh, but in a likeness of it,' is to wrest the word. God sent His Son in the flesh of David, and as that is what would be called 'simple flesh,' Jesus was sent in simple flesh—the same.
1.     —See numerous proofs in support of Answers to Questions 12 and preceding questions.
2.     Rev. 22:16: 'I am the root and offspring of David.'
3.     2 John 7.
4.     2 Tim. 2:8.
5.     Matt. 1:1.
6.     Heb. 2:14.
7.     Rom. 8:3.
(Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1873, p. 319-320)

"11.—Paul says that God, sending forth His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, 'condemned sin in the flesh' (Rom. 8:3). How could this have been if there be no such thing as 'sin in the flesh,' and if Christ was 'not sinful flesh but a likeness of it'?
"12.—Moses says that Adam begat a son 'in his own likeness' (Gen. 5:3). Does this mean that the son so begotten was, in any sense, of a dissimilar nature to his father? If you say No, as you are bound to, why do you contend that a 'likeness of sinful flesh' is dissimilar to sinful flesh itself?" (Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1873, p. 462, Questions and Questions, 1873, Questions against the Clean Flesh heresy)

"Some experience distress at the association of Jesus with sinful flesh in any sense. They seek relief in the expression of Rom. 8., that God sent His own Son 'in the likeness of sinful flesh.' Let us consider this. What about this likeness? Moses informs us (Gen. 5:3) that Adam begat a son in his own image and likeness. You would not say the word 'likeness' means that Seth was, in any wise, different from Adam. There is the word 'image.' Suppose the word 'image' had been used in this remark of Paul’s: 'sent His Son in the image of the earthly nature.' We should then have had this argument—'Ah, you see it is only the image; it is not the nature itself.' Whereas, Paul says concerning ourselves in 1 Cor. 15:49: 'We have borne the image of the earthy, and shall also bear the image of the heavenly.' Shall we say we have not borne the earthy? Do not we bear the earthy? Yes. Therefore in apostolic language 'earthy' and 'the image of the earthy' mean the same thing. Upon the same principle, sinful flesh and the likeness of sinful flesh mean the same thing. And we shall find that the same they are." (C.C. Walker quoting Robert Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1910, p. 537)

"‘Sin, I say, is a synonym for human nature. Hence, the flesh is invariably regarded as unclean. It is therefore written, ‘How can he be clean who is born of a woman?’ ‘Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.’ ‘What is man that he should be clean? And he which is born of a woman that he should be righteous?’ . . . This view of sin in the flesh is enlightening in the things concerning Jesus. The apostle says, ‘God made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin’; and this he explains in another place, by saying that He sent His own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh' in the offering of his body once. Sin could not have been condemned in the body of Jesus if it had not existed there. His body was as unclean as the bodies of those he died for; for he was born of a woman, and 'not one' can bring a clean body out of a defiled body, for 'that,' says Jesus himself, 'which is born of the flesh, is flesh' (page 114). [bro. Boulton quoting from Elpis Israel]
"The importance of this teaching cannot be over-estimated. John’s warning is most explicit. 'Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God; and this is that spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world' (1 John 4:23). As a member of the race, partaking of sin’s flesh (Heb. 2:14), Jesus was in a position, in harmony with the righteousness of God, which indeed was declared thereby (Rom. 3:25), to receive in himself the sentence pronounced against sin. Thereby 'in that he died, he died unto sin once' (Rom. 6:10), and 'what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh' (Rom. 8:3)." (W.H. Boulton, The Christadelphian, 1912, p. 161)

"'If, in the days of his flesh, the Lord had not been perfectly human, what resemblance would there have been between the lifting up of the prepared body on the cross, and the lifting up of the serpentin the wilderness? If that body had not been perfectly human in all things like ours, how could God have ‘sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh?’ Is not sinful flesh perfectly human? Is it not ‘flesh of sin?’ This is all the ‘perfect humanity’ men are acquainted with. If the body crucified had not been thus perfectly human, how could sin have been condemned in it? Or how could ‘the Anointed’ ‘his own self have borne our sins in his own body upon the tree?’ Read Rom. 8:21 Pet. 2:24, and think upon them.
"'To say, then, that Jesus was not made in all things like to this—that he had a better nature—is to say that ‘Jesus did not come in the flesh.’ This is the heresy that Elpis Israel is condemned for not teaching. It is true Elpis Israel affirms that Jesus came in sinful flesh; but that notwithstanding the plague of such a nature, he was obedient in all things—‘did no sin, nor was guile found in his mouth’; in which sense there was no sin in him; ‘he was without sin’; thus, ‘he who knew no sin, was made sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.’'
"'The reverse is not a modern heresy, but an element of ‘the mystery of iniquity,’ which was festering in ‘the heritages,’ in the days of the apostles. ‘Many deceivers,’ says John, ‘are entered into the world, who confess not that the anointed Jesus is come in flesh. This is the deceiver and the anti-Christ’ (2 John 7)." (The Christadelphian, 1918, p. 145)

"It is styled 'the flesh' (1Joh. 4:2), which Jesus himself says 'profiteth nothing' (John 6:63), being 'weak' and 'corruptible' because of sin. It is therefore fitly styled 'sinful flesh' in Rom. 8:3, a passage in which that is expressly affirmed by an inspired apostle, which you expressly deny in your letter, namely, that 'God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh'; that is, as John puts it, 'in the flesh.' So you see you have (unwittingly I hope and believe) joined the ranks of Antichrist, and in this are 'not of God' (1 Joh. 4:3). This is really the revival of the old 'Renunciationism' of over 40 years ago. It is being revived in Sydney, on the Pacific Coast in California, and in some places at home. 'Those who understand among the people' will not give place to it now any more than they did then, or in the apostles’ day." (The Christadelphian, 1916, p. 107)

"SINFUL FLESH'
"Brother H. (in Australia) writes:—'May we ask of your courtesy an early answer to the four following questions: Taking for granted that Adam was created ‘Good, ’ 1, Did the sentence of death bring about any change in Adam? 2, When is a babe’s flesh sinful flesh? 3, Did Jesus come in sinful flesh? 4, Why is human nature weak? At this distance the time will seem long to be anxiously waiting your answer.'
"Answers.—It is testified that Adam was created 'good' along with the other works of God (Gen. 1:41218212531). This series of affirmations concerning the 'goodness' in question, when rightly considered, enables us to perceive that by 'good' is here meant well adapted to the purpose of the Creator according to His mind. It does not here qualify character, for Adam was in a state of primeval ignorance and innocence.
"1.—Yes, the sentence of death consigned Adam to the dust whence he was taken, 'death by sin' (Rom. 5:12). It was as real and tangible a matter as was the sentence of leprosy against Gehazi (2 Kings 5:27). It is as well to be satisfied with such scriptural declarations as these, and not to get lost here in philosophical hair-splittings.
"2.—First let us make sure what we understand by the phrase 'sinful flesh.' It is found but once in the scriptures. in the much-tortured passage, Rom. 8:3: 'What the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and as an offering for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.' The R.V. margin truly tells us that the English phrase 'sinful flesh' is the equivalent of 'Gr. flesh of sin.' Obviously this here means simply human nature, and not flesh guilty of actual sin or transgression, for God’s own son was not so. Seeing that this cannot be denied, our correspondent’s question in relation to God’s own son resolves itself into this: When did the Word become flesh? Surely when Jesus was born (Matt. 1:18–25Luk. 2:1–21). The fact that Mary was 'purified,' and Jesus 'circumcised,' shows that the 'flesh' in question was 'flesh of sin,' 'the seed of David according to the flesh' (Rom. 1:3). David, who, unlike his 'Greater Son,' was not innocent of actual sin or transgression, in his psalm of penitence (Psa. 51:5) bewailed his inheritance of the flesh: 'Behold I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.' And here again our correspondent has the answer to his question, which answer of course, he knows very well; but he is proving the editor by hard questions, or perhaps we should rather say, seeking to elicit answers that will dispose of mistaken accusations of toleration of heresy on the part of the editor. The pamphlet The Blood of Christ contains some good instruction on the subject.
3.—Answered above.
4.—Because it is 'flesh.' It is Jesus who says so: 'Watch and pray that ye enter not into temptation, the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak' (Matt. 26:41Mark 14:38). 'It is sown in weakness' (1 Cor. 15:43). Christ 'was crucified through weakness' (2 Cor. 13:4).

"We have no sympathy with doctrines that contradict these scriptural statements, no matter what may be affirmed to the contrary. See our leading articles in this and the last issue of this magazine." (C. C. Walker, The Christadelphian, 1924, p. 61)

From Jim Cowie to Editor, Logos

From Jim Cowie to Editor, Logos

From: Jim Cowie <jim.cowie@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:01:12 +1000
To: ed@logos.org.au
Subject: THE ATONEMENT

Dear Bro. Graeham,

For some time now I have been watching with growing dismay the progression of thought in Logos towards promulgation of an interpretation of the Atonement which does not belong to the Central Fellowship; is not taught in Scripture or in the BASF; does not have its origins in the teaching of our Pioneer brethren and was not taught by Bro H.P. Mansfield. It is a teaching that has more in common with the "Old Paths" teachings of the first half of the 20th Century which developed as an over-reaction to the Clean-flesh errors of John Bell, A.E. Harvey and others. As in those days it seems that in an attempt to uphold the truth of the Atonement, perceived by some to be under threat, the balance has been lost, and unnecessary elements super-added to Yahweh's work of redemption in Christ.

I refer to the belief, now openly proclaimed in Logos for February 2002, that "Human flesh is accounted by Deity as sin", and "human flesh is sin" (Christadelphian Studies). The natural consequence of this mistaken view is that "our flesh and blood need justification, reconciliation, atonement or sacrifice" (Bristol Horfield Statement). It is now clear that the "Partial Atonement" accusation made against brethren and ecclesias who hold firmly to the basis of fellowship in this country as expressed in the Unity Booklet has arisen because some hold the view that human nature requires sacrifice in order for atonement to be made for it. This element is apparently seen as quite a separate issue to the work of moral reconciliation.

Lest you immediately assume that I am a heretic, let me direct your attention to the statement by the Bristol (Horfield) Ecclesia in the Calendar for February. I have no problem with the 9 clauses of the Positive Principles of that statement. It adequately expresses my own understanding of the Atonement. My difficulty is with several clauses of the Negative Principles. I repudiate the belief that our flesh and blood bodies need justification, reconciliation, atonement or sacrifice. This is primarily moral language and does not apply to the physical body which requires redemption or a change to immortality. Christ was equally in need of bodily redemption as his brethren. This he acquired by virtue of his obedience to the death of the cross that "the body of sin might be destroyed" (Rom.6:6), and by resurrection and change of nature, in all of which the righteousness of God was upheld. Paul's "body of sin" is a metonymical reference to our death stricken nature with its inherent bias towards sin. The effect (sin) is put for the cause (proneness to sin). This makes a man physically 'unclean' and in need of change before he can stand in the presence of God, but it does not alienate him morally from God. Only sin (actual transgression) does that. The BASF uses the term "defiled" in clause 5 referring to this fact. This is supported by the original Christadelphian Statement of Faith arranged by Bro. Thomas and published by Bro. Roberts in 1869 in which he states in clause 3 (later amended to become clause 5 of the BASF), "That Adam broke this law, and was adjudged unworthy of immortality, and sentenced to return to the ground from whence he was taken; (1) a sentence carried into execution by the implantation of a physical law of decay, which works out dissolution and death; (2) and while a man is yet alive, gives him, where it is left to its uncontrolled operation, a tendency in the direction of sin." This is all embraced by the term "defiled" in the BASF. It is spurious to give that term any moral connotation (as the Old Paths did). As you often quote, Bro. Thomas in Elpis Israel makes it perfectly plain that we are not alienated from God by virtue of our nature. How does ³human flesh being accounted as sin² and requiring ³justification, reconciliation and atonement² square with that obvious truth?

I know not whether you personally endorse the views expressed in Christadelphian Studies and the Bristol statement, but I cannot imagine you would publish them without qualification unless you had sympathy with the views expressed therein. If so, you have arrived at a position which is not scripturally sustainable.

To be sure, Christ was cleansed by his sacrifice. He was the first beneficiary of his own work. Had he failed to obey his Father's will to the death of the cross there would have been no resurrection and change for him. All of this is absolutely essential to the Atonement. Without including Christ in his own work there would be no salvation for us, because he came to deal with the nature we bear. But to say he took his body to the cross as a sacrifice to make an atonement for his nature is simply going too far, and is unsupported by Scripture (and by the Pioneers). He died as a sacrifice to declare the righteousness of God as a basis for our reconciliation (moral) and ultimate redemption (physical). In return God declared His own righteousness in raising Christ from the dead and changing his nature. This was the point at which something tangible was achieved for Christ - the point of change. This is where he was 'cleansed', not in the act of sacrifice itself. What was achieved in death was the destruction of the Diabolos and the acknowledgement of the righteousness of God. The pattern is followed in our reconciliation and ultimate redemption.

The clear implication of the teaching recently set forth in Logos (presumably with your imprimatur) is that something is accomplished in terms of our flesh and blood body at baptism (the equivalent of the death and resurrection of Christ). To quote again the Bristol statement, "Our flesh and blood bodies....need justification, reconciliation, atonement or sacrifice", and "The flesh of Jesus....need(ed) an offering of blood for his atonement." This was the slippery ground on which some in Old Paths came unstuck. One is bound to conclude that something is effected by baptism for our body. The truth is that nothing changes in our body, or in God's view of it, at baptism. What changes is our moral relationship to Him. The body must await redemption at a later stage.

Let me assure you that I and the brethren who find difficulty in the articles/statements in recent issues of Logos have no problem at all with the quotations made from the Pioneers. I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments of Bro. Roberts in The Law of Moses. It is the false interpretation of his words I repudiate. If Logos was content to stand by, and go no further than, such well reasoned statements as the North American Statement of Understanding (February Calendar) and the 12 point statement of agreement between the Wilston and Brisbane Ecclesias, and to respect the Unity Booklet (which exposes such errors referred to above), I and others would have no reason to undertake the unpleasant task of raising our voice against these extreme points of view.

I appeal to you to reconsider the ground on which Logos now appears to stand. To pursue the current path will surely lead to a totally unnecessary permanent schism between brethren who I believe essentially stand on the same ground.

With heavy but hopeful heart. Your brother in Christ.

Jim Cowie

From Stephen Genusa to Jim Cowie (1)

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Genusa [mailto:steve@genusa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:19 PM
To: 'Jim Cowie'
Cc: Graeham E. Mansfield
Subject: Re: THE ATONEMENT

 
Brother Cowie,
 
Greetings in Israel's hope.
 
I have read your letters to brother Graeham Mansfield in which you take exception to the phrase "flesh is sin". I am sorry to contact you under the current circumstances but your charge calls for a response from all brethren who are concerned about the declining direction the brotherhood is taking. I appeal to you to consider the following. Though we disagree, and though I believe what you have done is wrong, yet I write you in a spirit of hope and brotherly love, hoping that you will be "with" us (Luke 11:23), and not against.
 
You may not agree with the quotations below from brethren John Thomas, R. Roberts, HP Mansfield, and H. Sulley on the atonement, yet as a brother of Christ your charge anticipates further elaboration, not only of your accusation, but also specifics as to your own position.
 
It is one thing to make the assertion that Logos has changed. It is altogether another thing to demonstrate it. Is it not written, "Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him?". You did not compare the current quotations of Logos with quotations from the past that demonstrate a changed position. Worse, you have distanced yourself from such a prerequisite exercise under the pretext of not wanting to engage in a "war" of quotations. Where a Christ-like spirit, intellectual honesty and historical context are observed no such "war" is possible.
 
If you genuinely believed that Logos had changed why not spend time preparing a fair comparison, rather than making an assertion with no evidence? To make the charge that Logos has changed and then distance and shield yourself from the very quotations of the Pioneer brethren that prove your charge false is quite improper. Further, to make such a charge and then fail to elaborate your own position with reasonable detail may protect yourself, but it does no service to the Truth or to the brotherhood.
 
Please, if you will, consider the following:
 
Your comments indicate that you do not understand, or worse yet you do not believe, that the word 'sin' is used in two different ways, or senses, in Scripture for when the phrase "flesh is sin" was used, it was contextually apparent that 'sin' was being used in the 2nd principal or chief sense. Yet, you have taken exception to such usage. You claim to "have no problem with 99% of what our Pioneers have written on the Atonement". Now, if you do not accept the 2nd acceptation of 'sin', as the Pioneer brethren defined it, it is clear that you do not accept 99% of what the Pioneers have written on the atonement for the atonement specifically deals with the removal of sin. Furthermore, you do not mention what constitutes the 1%, as you describe it, which you do have problems with, or whether they are critical areas of disagreement with the pioneers.
 
 
 
'Sin' is used in Two Principal Acceptations / Two Chief or Primary Senses
 
Brother Thomas wrote:
The word ‘sin’ is used in two principal acceptations in the Scripture... ‘sin,’ in the sacred style, came to stand for the substance called ‘man.’” (J. Thomas, Elpis Israel, Logos ed., p. 129)
 
"‘Sin’, I say, is a synonym for human nature" (sin = human nature; John Thomas, Elpis Israel, Logos ed., page 130) 
 
"“What he put to death was the flesh, here referred to by the synonym of ‘sin’"  (flesh = sin; HP Mansfield, The Atonement, p. 184)
 
“‘Sin’ is a word in Paul's argument, which stands for ‘human nature,’ with its affections and desires. Hence, to become sin, or for one to be ‘made sin’ for others, (2 Cor. 5:21,) is to become flesh and blood. This is called ‘sin,’ or ‘Sin's flesh,’ because it is what it is in consequence of sin, or transgression.” ("made sin" = flesh and blood; J. Thomas, Eureka, Logos ed., vol 1, p. 247)
 
So we see that both brother J. Thomas and HP Mansfield defined flesh as 'sin' (as did other brethren including R. Roberts and H. Sulley). Flesh is not transgression (the 1st principal acceptation, Elpis Israel), but 'sin' (the 2nd principal acceptation). (1) Do you believe that brethren John Thomas and HP Mansfield "laid the foundation for the physical alienation theory" in these quotations just as you have charged against the current editor of Logos? If not, please explain how Logos' teaching differs from that of brethren J. Thomas and HP Mansfield, as you understand them. Can you show me where in any of Bro. Graeham Mansfield's published writings he has said anything different from his father?
 
 
 
The Bible Teaches to be "Made Sin" is to be Made "Flesh and Blood"
 
2 Corinthians 5:21 says, "For he hath made him sin (2nd acceptation) for us, who knew no sin (1st acceptation); that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." And Hebrews 2:14 says, "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood (2nd acceptation), he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil (2nd acceptation personified)". Finally, Hebrews 9:28 says, "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins (1st acceptation) of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin (2nd acceptation) unto salvation." (2) Do you believe that 2 Co 5:21, Heb 2:14 and Heb 9:28 lay the foundation of the physical alienation theory? If not, please explain the difference in these verses and the teaching of Logos as you understand it.
 
 
 
The 2nd Principal Acceptation is Physical
 
If you agree with these quotes that the flesh is indeed 'sin' then (3) do you also agree with the fact that 'the flesh' or body is physical?
As the body or flesh is a physical thing, the flesh is sometimes referred to as "sin nature," "sin incarnate" and "physical sin".
"All this is of the flesh, or Sin Incarnate, which is the Devil." (J. Thomas, Eureka, vol. 1, ch 1, sec 1, Logos ed., p. 32)
Here we see that brother Thomas states 'the flesh' = 'Sin Incarnate' = 'the Diabolos'. Incarnate means to make a thing embodied or physical. In this case it is sin which is being embodied or taking a physical form. (4) Do you disagree with the statement that diabolos is sin? Is the exceedingly great sinner 'sin' or is the exceeding great sinner something other than 'sin'? Do you believe 'diabolos' to be a thing which is not physical; or do you believe diabolos to be the same thing as our transgressions (as the clean flesh a.k.a. "partial atonement" teachers do)?
"Did he not require to shed his blood to cleanse himself from his own sin nature... Never use the word cleanse in regard to physical sin? R. Roberts: Not in that connection." (Debate #'s 401, 402, 719, 720)
"Physical sin has more to do with nature than with transgression. Paul describes it as "sin in the flesh," or flesh in which sin dwells. It is a natural urge in human flesh to rebel and to walk contrary to God's laws. It is this element called "sin" which entered into the constitution of our race through Adam's transgression" (F. Jannaway).
(5) If 'sin' is a synonym for flesh, Scripturally described as 'sin in the flesh' (Rom 8:3) or 'body of sin' (Rom 6:6) and 'diabolos' (Heb 2:14), because of the sin principle 'in my members' (Rom 7:23) then why are you raising your hand against the Logos magazine?
 
If you maintain the position that the physical body, or flesh, is not a synonym for 'sin' then you deny the Scriptural teachings on the atonement (2Pe 2:1); and you disagree with brother Thomas that the word ‘sin’ is used in two primary ways in the Scripture. To make one acceptation merely a metonym is to deny the 2nd primary acceptation which brother Thomas elaborates in Elpis Israel.
 
(6) Is 'sin' in the flesh a mere metonym? Or do you somehow believe that there are transgressions located in the flesh? Does calling sin, in relation to the body a 'metonymy' make the principle of sin in the body (Rom 7:5) any less concrete or substantive? Does the descriptive label 'metonym' transmute the physical law of the body into an unreal, symbolic or phantasmal law and thereby justify your contention that the body is not accounted as 'sin'?
 
 
 
Clean Flesh's Ritual-Symbolical 'Condemnation' of Sin
 
The late H. Fry, in his erroneous teaching, discarded the obvious error (free life) of Turneyism while retaining the basic error of Turney's clean-flesh teaching. One of the chief errors was that Christ condemned sin symbolically on the cross rather than literally / physically. Because he denied that flesh was a synonym for sin, Fry taught, as his current adherents do, that the sacrifice of Christ was only "ritual symbolism" -- only a symbolical ceremony. You cannot actually condemn sin in the flesh nature when 'sin' is not present; and the 'body of sin' is not sin but merely a body -- like the animal bodies of the Mosaic sacrifices who also "knew no sin".  Though the crucifixion was undoubtedly "ceremonial" in the sense of a public condemnation, yet in that ceremony was the literal condemnation of sin, by God, in the body of the Lord Jesus. If sin was literally condemned in the body of Christ how was it condemned if his flesh was not 'sin' (2nd principal acceptation)? To argue as you apparently do, is to make the Lord Jesus Christ a substitute, whereby he only condemned sin in others, since, according to your logic, he did not have sin (2nd acceptation).
 
The impulses of sin, were in the body of the Lord as in other men, but they were neutralized, or overcome, by a mind that was in perfect attune with that of his Father. Therefore, ‘the sins’ that the Lord ‘bare in his body’ when he was crucified are fitly described as ‘our sins’ because they were identical to the same impulses that in every other person result in actual transgression; and the Lord died as our representative. (HP Mansfield, The Atonement, How Christ Bears Our Sins, p. 195-196)
Andrew: Is it not clear that Christ, as a necessity, must offer up for himself for the purging of his own sin nature? R. Roberts: As a son of Adam, a son of Abraham, and a son of David, yes. (Debate #711)
A historical note: John Hensley teaches the same doctrinal errors as H Fry. J Hensley's booklet has made the rounds in Australia but the heresies originated with H Fry who was disfellowshipped for his wrong ideas on the atonement. Besides the wrong doctrine taught therein, both books are cunningly written with misleading statements and red-herring arguments which mislead rather than intelligently inform. If you would like me to elaborate on this please let me know as I have studied both books and gathered material which demonstrates these assertions.
 
 
The Physical Alienation Charge/Heresy/Garden-Path
 
You claim that to say "flesh is sin" is to lay a plank in the physical alienation theory.
 
The alienation charge is a red-herring. Men are alienated by wicked works, not by nature. This error of Andrew is answered in The Truth Affirmed, a 96 page refutation of JJ Andrew's errors, including the error of physical alienation -- incidentally published by Logos! This charge only repeats the accusation of the leading proponents of clean-flesh teaching. It is demonstrable that they do not understand Andrewism. Rather, they have picked up their arguments from bro. H. Fry who was disfellowshipped for his false teachings on the atonement.
 
Brother HP Mansfield wrote in 1971,
"It is a fact that some occupying positions of authority in the Ecclesias, do not know Andrewism when they see it, though they wax eloquent about the 'blasphemy' of certain statements that are in accordance with the Truth" (H.P. Mansfield, Logos,  July 1971, p. 382). 
Within 10 years of brother HP Mansfield writing this, brother John Martin was circulating the very heresies of H. Fry and his book entitled "Echoes of Past Controversies".
You might consider for just a moment  what brother Mansfield was referring to in speaking of "certain statements", or certain teachings, that were being labeled as 'blasphemy' by certain brethren who no doubt thought theywere "sounding the trumpet". And yet they were not merely opposing themselves, but the truth also.
The fact is, if you deny that flesh is accounted as 'sin' in the Bible then you either wittingly or unwittingly hold some variation of clean flesh.
 
 
 
The Historical Logos Position
 
The Logos magazine's position in all that I have ever read is that God literally condemned sin in the (physical) body of Christ. The writings of brother HP Mansfield consistently teach this doctrine. This is what is taught today by Logos. Can you show any evidence of anything different from what Bro. HP Mansfield taught, that has been published in Logos? That the pioneer brethren from John Thomas to HP Mansfield to Graeham Mansfield taught/teachthis is easy enough to demonstrate. But my experience is that when these pioneer brethren are quoted, PA brethren respond by saying that "those same quotes are used by the 'Old Paths', 'Bereans'" &c. as if that deals with the quotations in an intellectually honest way. Or a response is given such as "we do not want to engage in a war of quotations" -- a disingenuous argument for those who do not rightly divide the words of the pioneer brethren. If men cannot rightly divide the Holy Scriptures, they certainly cannot be expected to rightly divide the words of men. I am sure you agree that these arguments are not acceptable to intellectually honest brethren and certainly won't be accepted in the day of account (Matt 12:36).
 
 
 
Your Disagreement with the Pioneer Brethren
 
This fact is simple: If you do not agree with the pioneer definition of 'sin', in its two chief acceptations, then you cannot agree with 99% of the pioneer writings on the atonement, for The Atonement specifically answers to how sin is atoned for, cleansed &c.
 
You claim you "have no problem with 99% of what our Pioneers have written on the Atonement". Below this letter, you will find some of that which the pioneers have written on the atonement. (7) Are these quotes part of the 1% you disagree with?
 
 
 
Your Agreement with Enfield/Cumberland's Position
 
(8Could you please tell me specifically where you disagree with John Martin's book, as you have implied, and more importantly where you disagree with the Enfield/Cumberland position on the atonement? As you have laid various charges against Logos, and claim to occupy original Christadelphian ground, I believe it is incumbent upon you to specify where you stand in relation to the Enfield/Cumberland position.
 
 
 
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine
You say you find it necessary to "sound the trumpet." If you disagree with the statement that flesh, or human nature, is the 2nd principal acceptation of the word sin, then you are clearly in the ideological company of those false teachers which Logos has historically witnessed against. I hope that is not the case.
Leviticus 16:6 And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house. Leviticus 16:11 And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself. Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people. Hebrews 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. Exodus 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it. Exodus 29:37 Seven days thou shalt make an atonement for the altar, and sanctify it; and it shall be an altar most holy: whatsoever toucheth the altar shall be holy. Hebrews 5:3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. John 12:31  Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Fraternally,
 
Stephen
 
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived."
 
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." -- Christ
 
"Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." -- Christ
 
  
Quotes:
 
"We break not this bread and drink not this wine discerningly unless we see in Christ crucified the vindication of the honour of God, in the condemnation of sin in the flesh of sin as the basis of our acceptable approach to God, and our forgiveness unto life eternal." (R. Roberts, Seasons of Comfort, The Blessedness of Knowing the Truth, Logos ed., p. 222)
“‘Sin’, I say, is a synonym for human nature. Hence the flesh is invariably regarded as unclean... This view of sin in the flesh is enlightening in the things concerning Jesus. The apostle says ‘God made him to be sin for us’... And this he explains by saying in another place that ‘He sent His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.’ Sin could not have been condemned in the body of Jesus if it had not existed there." (J. Thomas, Elpis Israel, Logos ed., page 130)
 
“What he put to death was the flesh, here referred to by the SYNONYM of ‘sin’. He put to death the demands of the flesh during his life, and in the manner of his death.” (HP Mansfield, The Atonement, p. 184).
 
"The crucifixion of Christ as a ‘declaration of the righteousness of God’ and a ‘condemnation of sin in the flesh’, exhibited to the world the righteous treatment of sin. It was as though it was proclaimed to all the world, when the body was nailed to the cross: ‘This is how condemned human nature should be treated according to the righteousness of God; it is fit only for destruction.’" (R. Roberts, The Blood of Christ, p. 18).
 
Henry Sulley wrote, “there are two classes of sin from which the human race needs deliverance. First, those to which men are related by racial descent (Rom 5:12-14); second, individual trespasses.” (The Temple of Ezekiel’s Prophecy, 1887, p. 76).
 
"Inasmuch as this evil principle pervades every part of the flesh, the animal nature is styled ‘sinful flesh,’ that is, flesh full of sin, so that ‘sin,’ in the sacred style, came to stand for the substance called ‘man.’” (J. Thomas, Elpis Israel, Logos ed., p. 129)
 
"That the devil of scripture is, first, sin manifested individually in and through our common nature; secondly, sin in ecclesiastical and political manifestation. Hence, the powers of the world are styled ‘the Devil and his Angels.’” (J. Thomas, Eureka, vol 3, ch. 11, Logos ed., p. 303)
 
"This perishing body is 'sin,' and left to perish because of 'sin.' Sin, in its application to the body, stands for all its constituents and laws. The power of death is in its very constitution, so that the law of its nature is styled 'the Law of Sin and Death.' In the combination of the elements of the law, the power of death resides, so that 'to destroy that having the power of death,' is to abolish this physical law of sin and death, and instead thereof, to substitute the physical 'law of the spirit of life,' by which the same body would be changed in its constitution, and live for ever.” (J. Thomas, Eureka, vol. 1, ch 2, sec 2, Logos ed., p. 248)
 
"These principles were embodied in Jesus, as ‘holy, harmless, undefiled, and separate from sinners,’ as to character; yet ‘the likeness of sin's flesh, in whom sin was condemned’ when crucified, as to nature;" (J. Thomas, Eureka, vol. 1, sec. 1, ch. 5, 7. The Golden Zone, Logos ed., p. 171)
 
"It (the body of Jesus) was not angel flesh or nature, but that common to the seed of Abraham, styled by Paul ‘flesh of sin,’ ‘in which,’ he says, ‘dwells no good thing’ ... His flesh was like our flesh in all its points – weak, emotional, and unclean... Sin, whose wages is death, had to be condemned in the nature that had transgressed... He took part of the same, that through death he might destroy that having the power of death, that is, the diabolos, or elements of corruption in our nature inciting it to transgression, and therefore called ‘Sin working death in us.’"  (J. Thomas, Eureka, vol. 1, Logos ed., p. 106)
That Christ through his own atonement has been raised from the dead, to die no more, and consequently none can rise to die no more except through the same means, but they may rise to mortal life without atonement, as shown by several historical cases of such resurrection, and by the testimony that God will bring to judgment every responsible soul of man that doeth evil whether he be Jew or Gentile.” (R. Roberts, Resurrection to Condemnation)
 

Jim Cowie to Stephen Genusa (1)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cowie [mailto:jim.cowie@bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:13 AM
To: steve@genusa.com
Subject: ATONEMENT
Dear Bro. Stephen,
I am in receipt of your unsolicited letter based on my correspondence with Bro. Graeham Mansfield. Having previously read your document issued last year criticising Bro. John Martin and others on these same issues I recognise a similarity of approach in your communication to me. I marvel at the ferocity with which you and some others attack this “paper tiger” of your own making, but I feel no obligation whatsoever to respond to the many challenges and questions you raise. My issue was with the Editor of Logos to whose defence you have sprung. The point I wanted to make has been made and I am happy to leave the rest to the Judge who will unravel all these issues unerringly when he appears once more among his servants. He will determine the truth of the issue and whether it is of sufficient moment to deny access to the Kingdom to those found mistaken. Accordingly, we all need to be comfortable with the position we hold, and after 35 years of hard work (and much pain) on the subject I am comfortable, as are the vast majority of Central Fellowship brethren who utterly repudiate the Clean-flesh theory you suspect they sympathise with. I have fought that theory for over 30 years in one of the more notorious hotbeds of its modern existence. I can assure you, I have not fallen victim to it any more than you have fallen for pure “Andrewism”. You are concerned about so-called “partial atonement” giving ground to clean-flesh, and I am equally concerned about the drift towards language capable of misinterpretation and development of premises that will ultimately lead back to Andrewism.
I want to take up just one matter addressed in your letter. You challenge me to lay out the differences between Logos now and under HPM. You see it as a question of intellectual honesty. Doubtless you and others have rigorously applied your own principle and searched high and low through Logos for evidence supporting your newly articulated position that “flesh is sin” and therefore requires atonement, reconciliation and justification by sacrifice for its own sake. Is it not marvellous then that you have not found such phrases as “flesh is sin” and “flesh and blood is accounted by God as sin” or “flesh and blood requires atonement, reconciliation and justification by sacrifice”? For surely, if you had found such language you and others would have quoted it to me. I too spent years looking for such language over 20 years ago. I did not find it. The very best you can do is quote the statement that “sin is a synonym for human nature”. Yes, and so it is, understood with the scriptural figure of speech called metonymy where the effect (or result) “sin” is put for the cause (a bias towards sin in our nature). Consequently, I have no difficulty with any of the quotations you make from the Pioneers or HPM. My only difficulty is with the interpretation you appear to place on them.
Take for example your quotation from HPM on “How Christ Bears Our Sins” on page 3 of your letter. This is an excellent expression of my understanding of the Lord’s relationship to “our sins” and his work of redemption on our behalf. But how does it teach that Christ had to make a separate offering for his nature so that as “sin” it could be reconciled, justified or atoned for? Surely this is the reason why you quote such passages. It seems in your mind that if it can be established that “sin” is something physical in the flesh (seemingly something more than a bias towards sin and mortality), then a sacrifice is required specifically for it. This is not taught by the Pioneers or HPM, nor is it Central Fellowship teaching. And you will certainly not find it in our Statement of Faith.
You were not on the CC list of my response to Bro. Keith Cook so I have included that below (although I suspect you will have received a copy already). This document explains my views amply on the points he raised, and addresses many of the issues you raise. I fear however that you will have trouble perceiving the real issues involved given the approach evident in the two documents I have read from your pen. As explained in my response to Bro. Keith, the journey towards perception of the simplicity of the Atonement in all its beauty is a painful one for those of us who come from your background and mine. It is hard to kick against the pricks of the uncomplicated simplicity of the subject when one has enmeshed himself in a web of ceremonial/ritualistic and symbolic language which hinders a clear view of the substance - Christ.
Herein lies the true value of Bro. John Hensley’s writing which you pillory as error. May you be granted the wisdom to perceive as he did that there is another path that stands above clean-flesh and physical alienation. We do not need to borrow ideas or language from either to stand on that superior path.
Yours sincerely in our ever-brightening Hope.
Jim

From Stephen Genusa to Jim Cowie (2)

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Genusa [mailto:steve@genusa.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:47 PM
To: 'Jim Cowie'
Cc: Graeham E. Mansfield
Subject: Re: Atonement

 
Dear brother Cowie,
 
Greetings in the hope of Israel.
 
You wrote,
"I feel no obligation whatsoever to respond to the many challenges and questions you raise" (J.C.)
I am sorry you have responded to my doctrinal explanation by making personal attacks upon me. In your 850 word response you did not address a single point of doctrine I offered, but sadly engaged in misrepresentation, insinuation and belittling of those not in agreement with your new (as you confessed) doctrinal position. Brother Cowie, I have no controversy with you personally. The battle is against the wrong doctrines you defend which are destructive to the Truth. It is sad that your response is a personal attack. It is indicative to me of the weakness of your doctrinal position. 
 
Your charges against Logos raised the questions as I indicated in my prior email. When one makes accusations, as you have, one is obligated by the teachings of Christ to demonstrate the accusations. You did not do so in your letter to brother Mansfield, and therefore the obligation remains on your shoulders, whether you "feel" it or not. The ecclesial community could not function if brethren freely made such charges with no obligation to lay the facts before the accused.
 
You may feel that my response was unsolicited, but you have made charges, not only against Logos, but also against brethren associated with Logos. I sometimes participate in the Christadelphian Studies section of Logos and therefore your comments against Logos are directed at me as well.
 
I assure you brother that the "ferocity" that you imagine is just that. It is your own "paper tiger" to discredit my letter to you.You have confused zeal for upholding fundamental saving doctrine, for human earthly "ferocity". My brother, such posturing and misrepresentations may serve you now, but surely you see its usefulness is limited to this age and to mortal man who tends to judge by the sight of his eyes and imaginations of his heart? God-manifestation and God-exaltation are serious issues. The least you could do is refrain from voicing such hyperbole or false judgments.
 
In your letter to brother Cook you made a serious mistake in describing Andrewism. You wrote,
"But those who espouse 'Andrewistic' ideas also give the term 'defiled' a moral connotation by claiming that our inheritance in Adam alienates us from God. Hence they say, our flesh and blood bodies need atonement, reconciliation and justification which can only be accomplished by the sacrifice of Christ being divided into two parts – one for the nature and one for our sins. Sounds similar to what I am reading lately!"
Brother Cowie, if your representation of "Andrewism" is wrong, and I assure you it is, then your charge against Logos is at best faulty, or worse, slanderous. If I may politely restate thisyou do not know what Andrewism is, as demonstrated in your own attempted paraphraseI think in future references this demonstrably weak area of the partial-atonement position should be publicly explained so that brethren understand that you, and others, are throwing around labels you do not understand. I refer you again to my last letter and specifically to what uncle HP Mansfield wrote concerning this. You chose to ignore this comment:
"It is a fact that some occupying positions of authority in the Ecclesias, do not know Andrewism when they see it, though they wax eloquent about the 'blasphemy' of certain statements that are in accordance with the Truth" (H.P. Mansfield, Logos,  July 1971, p. 382). 
To define Andrewism, in this context, you should have written, "But those who espouse 'Andrewistic' ideas also give the term 'defiled' a moral connotation by claiming that our physical inheritance in Adam alienates us from God. Alienation [which is really moral term] is given a physical aspect and this legal/moral 'defilement' is removed at baptism". That is Andrewism and it is a far cry from what Logos teaches, or those associated with it teach. You really should spend some time studying JJ Andrew's teachings if you are going to represent his teachings to others -- or make charges against other brethrenThe partial-atonement camp has acquired its definition of Andrewism from the clean-flesh community -- hardly a reliable source for understanding JJ Andrew. But we are each responsible for our own words and (mis)representations -- particularly when we've been informed -- light makes men responsible.
 
I find the description of your journey fascinating for I also have been through "much tribulation" having been personally challenged by the new doctrines that partial atonement teachers have set before the body. I too have a wife and son I must take responsibility for. And therefore I have taken, as you have, the challenges seriously. I too have carefully examined them. However, unlike you, I found that the pioneer brethren provided a wholly Scriptural answer. The power is in the Word -- the anchor is in the Word. Therefore, for example, when I ask you about 2 Cor. 5:21, I note you are unwilling to answer. I believe you see that according to your reasoning it lays the plank for physical alienation. I emphasize that it is your reasoning, but not Scriptural reasoning. So also with Heb 2:14 and Heb 9:28 (as examples)You do not accept the 2nd definition of sin, or sin-nature, as defined by the Pioneers. Yet, to transmute "made sin" (2 Cor. 5:21) into something other than sin-nature is indeed the slippery slope of clean flesh for that is the teaching of clean-flesh as the writings of Strickler, Bell, H. Fry attest to.
 
Your belief is that "Christ condemned sin in his life by not practicing it; and in his crucifixion by metonymy". Your use of metonymy makes the condemnation of sin in the nailing of his body to the cross a figure: just as the animals under the Law had a ceremonial "imputation of sin" so also with Christ. You condemn diabolos in a figure: the only sin Christ could bear is the "sins of his fellows" as you do not account the body as sin. This was the teaching of Turney, Strickler, Bell, mastered by Fry, and picked up by John Hensley/Richard Stone. All these brethren, save brethren Hensley/Stone were disfellowshipped (in days in which the Christadelphian body was stronger and could fend off false ideas) for their teachings. Christ was not a continuation of the Mosaic sacrifices, save in human form. A BODY was prepared for him by the spirit (and later repaired), and the question you must answer is "why?". Interestingly, the Endeavor group has published a booklet on the atonement in which they describe the condemnation of sin by Christ in crucifixion as condemnation by metaphor. You call it condemnation by metonymy.
 
As to brother John Hensley, one point is important to make. He worked with brother Richard Stone. I have transcripts of classes, which they taught together, on the atonement that demonstrate their agreement. Richard Stone also wrote the forward to the American edition of John Hensley's book. You don't write a forward to a book unless you commend the book's contents to the brotherhood. Note then the June 2001 issue of Logos with brother HP Mansfield's diary:
"Bro. Stone had taken the day off in order to have a chat. He tackled me upon the sacrifice of Christ. He takes the stand adopted by the late Bro. Fry that Christ died only for himself in the sense that the sins of his fellows were imputed to him. I told him, as is a fact, that his teaching would be looked upon as clean-flesh in Australia. He was shocked at this. I assured him that it was so, and then proceeded to question him as to why the altar had to be cleansed by blood before it could be used, why the tabernacle, and holy vessels, had so to be cleansed" (H.P. Mansfield, Logos, June 2001, p. 352).
So you see brother Cowie, the writings of H.P. Mansfield do not have to be searched "high and low" to prove you are wrong in your new position. A few basic historical facts and writings are sufficient. Though this may cause you additional anguish, I appeal to you again to reconsider the facts,  to the end that present anguish may reap future joy.
 
I asked you to demonstrate the difference in the pioneer quotes, and the current teaching of Logos. The questions were specific and simple. You refused to do so. However, you did repeat the false accusation emanating from thepartial atonement camp "But how does it teach that Christ had to make a separate offering for his nature so that as 'sin' it could be reconciled, justified or atoned for?". Yes, you put off the reconciliation of such matters to "the infallible judge" yet is this not the time to properly prepare ourselves with Godly lives and words to stand before him? Therefore, by your own words brother, and Matt. 12:36it is fair to expect that when you stand before the infallible judge, you should be prepared to demonstrate a single instance in which Logos, or those associated with it, teach that Christ had to make a separate offering. Logos has not taught this. Brother Cook has not taught this. I have not taught this. Rather we have agreed with the Pioneers that Christ made the One Great Offering. Brother Roberts rightly wrote,
"Yet as the bearer of the sins of his people – whether ‘in Adam’ or otherwise, he stood in the position of having these as ‘his own’ from the effects of which he had himself first to be delivered. Consequently, he offered first for himself; he was the first delivered… But his offering for himself was also the offering for his people. The two aspects of the double typical offering were combined in one act. He had not twice to offer for himself… ‘He was made sin for us who knew no sin;’ and does not sin require an offering?” (R. Roberts, The Christadelphian, 1875, p. 139)
I quoted these very words in my last email (and my booklet) yet you respond: "how does it teach that Christ had to make a separate offering". In your own letter to brother Cook you wrote, "I believe that our greatest need is the forgiveness of our sins. Our second great need is the redemption of our body". Brother Cowie, that's two aspects!: (1) Transgressions (2) Body. Because Christ had no transgressions, yet he had a BODY prepared by the Spirit, for the condemnation of sin, he had to offer for himself as the Pioneer brethren taught. "The two aspects of the double typical offering were combined in ONE ACT." By your own words I could make the same charge against you of "separate offering" but you know, and I know that the charge of separate offering is dishonest and a misrepresentation of your position -- and so likewise with ours. But do as you will my brother. Indeed Christ will settle the manner, in a very personal way, for each of us shortly.
 
You wrote,
"Doubtless you and others have rigorously applied your own principle and searched high and low through Logos for evidence supporting your newly articulated position that 'flesh is sin'."
Brother Cowie, that is an clever misrepresentation of the facts. I appeal to you brother to reconsider not only your doctrinal stand, but also your emotionally based judgments.
 
By the way, the idea of "sacrificial offering for human nature" (a phrase I do not use myself) is no new teaching. Besides all the pioneer quotations on the subject I refer to you a source that is far from allied with LogosThe Christadelphian Tidings for March of 1994 had a series of articles defending the teaching of "Sacrificial Offering for Human Nature". I would not expect brother Styles to defend the position any longer as it would not be expedient in the current cirumstances but it stands as a witness to what brethren once taught and against those who have changed.
 
You wrote,
"The very best you can do is quote the statement that 'sin is a synonym for human nature.' Yes, and so it is, understood with the scriptural figure of speech called metonymy where the effect (or result) 'sin' is put for the cause."
That is a misrepresentation in a number of waysI did not merely quote brother John Thomas and brother H.P. Mansfield where they both said sin was a synonym for flesh. I also gave a number of quotations where the concept of 'this perishing body' being called 'sin' is demonstrated. Furthermore, in that letter you will see that brother Thomas said there are two chief or primary meanings of the word 'sin'. The Pioneers taught that the 2nd acceptation for sin is the flesh or to be "made flesh and blood". You really cannot escape the quotes by your use of metonymy. Finally, a synonym and a metonym are two different things. A metonym may be applied to a synonym because of a common characteristic between the two synonyms, which in this case is 'sin'. But a synonym is not a metonym as you knowAny dictionary would demonstrate that your dismissal of 'synonym' using 'metonym' is unjustifiable. Your argument is the same argument as partial-atonement.
 
You wrote to brother Cook,
"In 1980 I even took a week’s holiday to explore the issue of blood-shedding and its relationship to redemption believing I would come up with indubitable proof that blood-shedding was in itself efficacious in cleansing our nature in some ‘mysterious’ way".
If we ask the wrong question, we will get the wrong answer. This is the problem with H. Fry's book and J. Hensley's book as well. Your focus should have been on verses such as Romans 3:25-26. God manifestation and God exaltation should have been the focus of your investigation. When you approach the subject of the atonement from the point of human salvation, you will come up with the wrong answer. This is the error of Strickler, Turney, Bell, H. Fry, John Hensley et al. They all focused on what they saw as the mechanics of human salvation and they came up with the wrong answers.
 
Further you wrote,
"The facts are that my own painful and protracted metamorphosis on the issue of Christ’s relationship to his sacrifice extends back to 1979 " and "I immediately went into denial and spent some time casting around for reassurance that I was on firm Pioneer ground." and "I had discussions with senior brethren in Sydney and Adelaide, some of whom were concerned that we had come perilously close to using language that could not be supported by Scripture although it may appear to have been supported by quotations from the Pioneers."
 
"metamorphosis" : " a marked and more or less abrupt developmental change in the form or structure of an animal (as a butterfly)"
 
The fact that you have had a marked change in your understanding of the atonement explains why you see the language of Logos as increasingly extreme. You want to have the freedom to move from one position, and then blame the original position for "changing" and becoming "increasingly extreme". Further, your admissions show that you could not and cannot sustain your previous doctrinal position based on the pioneers, from the Scriptures. It is therefore an admission that you do not follow 99% of what the pioneer brethren have written on the atonement.
 
You claim you, and those who believe like you, are not on the slippery slope to clean flesh. Yet Christadelphian literature is being altered to reflect this new doctrinal position. The Types of the Bible, which were properly expounded by the Pioneers, are being denied by those that you are in agreement with. The keys of knowledge of the atonement have been removed, under the guise of fighting Andrewism (though some of the very same brethren have been behind the reunion efforts with the North American Unamended - Heb. 12:3), and the doors of understanding are now beginning to close. It sounds very much like the ecclesia described in Rev. 3:17The misguidance you have received from "senior" brethren ought to be considered in light of the Apocalypse. Speaking of senior brethren, brother H.P Mansfield comments:
"At one of the brethren's homes, I had come across a printed circular outlining some of the studies at a Bible School, and was surprised to find that very statement [Out of Adam] at the head of one of the lessons. I had it with me and showed it to Bro. Aue, suggesting that some of the Amended brethren were unsound when it came to the Sacrifice of Christ! It showed me how that even prominent brethren can be astray in regard to the intricacies of controversy." (HP Mansfield, Logos, October 2001, p. 30)
To an observer it is fascinating to see how those who have doctrinally changed over the last 10-20 years, some of which such as yourself, who openly admit to change, now claim to be upholding the Australian Unity Basis!Brother HP Mansfield could see the direction that some of his fellow-laborers were headed when he wrote,
"It is a fact that some occupying positions of authority in the Ecclesias, do not know Andrewism when they see it, though they wax eloquent about the 'blasphemy' of certain statements that are in accordance with the Truth" (H.P. Mansfield, Logos,  July 1971, p. 382). 
He indeed would be sorry to see that some of his fellow-laborers have changed from the position they held when he was alive. By your own admission you have. I am sure, based on the comment of his son who would know, brother Graeham Mansfield, that uncle H.P. could see what was happening. He just didn't know how far it would spread before Christ returned. As time progresses we are sadly finding that out.
 
Though you have been through "anguish" in coming to your new position, please do not imagine that anguish is a substitute for sound doctrine. Most of the brethren involved have been through the same mental anguish in the battle for faith.
 
But we stand in different doctrinal positions now and will have to handle it accordingly.
 
Fraternally,
 
Stephen
 
"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."